9/11 Conspiracy Thread

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hndog609 said:
Let's start simple. Take the entire operation and try to conceive of how massive a logistical undertaking it would be then conservatively multiply that by 100 and you're probably getting close. Now take the (IMO simply flat out impossible) degree of secrecy, subterfuge and mind numbing amount of complicity across an enormous amount of people and simply ask yourself not only how it makes any sense they could pull it off but why even try?

Look, even if you did manage to get the planes in the air and under government control and slam them into the towers and Pentagon why wouldn't that be enough? Death and destruction at iconic landmarks...why the hell multiply the complexity and risk of things going wrong/be discovered with the plan by oh, IDK, a factor of a million? Why not just have some guys crop dust Times Square with anthrax? Pack in a couple dirty bombs (or even a real suitcase nuke if you want to go big)? All of these (and any number of alternatives) would have been at least as (if not more) effective in instilling real fear and would be soooooooooooooooooooo much easier to control and reduce risk of exposure. But no, the answer is a plan of nigh obscene elaboration and complicit involvement.

Saturn's rings wouldn't make a large enough Occam's Razor to cover this idea.
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I've been waiting for someone to post this. I can't believe it took this long for this post to pop up in the discussion.

It is the most obvious and absolutely irrefutable rebuttal to 9/11 "truthers" .
 
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Pacer92 said:
Can you explain the obvious fire flashes, the sound of booms, and the immediate implosion of wtc 7?
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Inhttp://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/04/04/chechnya-high-rise-burns-for-29-hours-with-no-collapse-wtc7

Interesting comparison here.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Can you explain the obvious fire flashes, the sound of booms, and the immediate implosion of wtc 7?
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The fire flashes tend to happen when buildings are on fire.

The sounds sound like little more than a building falling apart. They don't sound explosive at all.

And implosions tend to be immediate. Buildings don't gradually or intermittently implode.
 
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Okay, so let's go with the conspiracy theory that says the buildings went under controlled demolition for a moment...

If a government was callous enough to kill 3,000 people without a second thought, why would they go to great lengths to ensure the towers came straight down instead of causing more death and destruction by making them topple over on their sides?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Okay, so let's go with the conspiracy theory that says the buildings went under controlled demolition for a moment...

If a government was callous enough to kill 3,000 people without a second thought, why would they go to great lengths to ensure the towers came straight down instead of causing more death and destruction by making them topple over on their sides?
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Because, obviously it's more believable...
 
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Pacer92 said:
Because, obviously it's more believable...
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More believable they would attempt to save lives in the long run by making sure the buildings did as little collateral damage as possible?

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of blaming it on terrorists? Wouldn't tenfold the death and destruction mean the public would be even more enraged and calling for blood?
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
Sure, if by "lulz" you mean a sad narrative about the lack of common sense and education in America.
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I'm of the opinion that if you think the American government had any part in 9/11, or worse yet, actually covered it up, then you need to get your head examined. This is the same government who nearly ****s up everything they touch, but yet some people believe they have the ability to orchestrate the biggest cover-up in history.
 
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I don't necessarily know that they orchestrated it, but there was prior knowledge. I've tried to steer the conversation that direction but all anybody wants to talk about is damn towers falling down. To all you truthers, you need to dig deeper than the collapse of the buildings, you could pose much better arguments with far less with rebuttal when you start learning more about those involved
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
I don't necessarily know that they orchestrated it, but there was prior knowledge. I've tried to steer the conversation that direction but all anybody wants to talk about is damn towers falling down. To all you truthers, you need to dig deeper than the collapse of the buildings, you could pose much better arguments with far less with rebuttal when you start learning more about those involved
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So our government knowingly allowed thousands of Americans to die? What the ****?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
This thread is full of lulz.
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Yep, one of the better threads on VN (Bigfoot thread being it's major competitor).

Sadly, this endemic of a school system which refuses to teach critical thinking. One takes a passion or emotion, hears a fanciful idea which plays on said passion/emotion, then runs with it as fast as their inept mind can go without ever stopping to think it through.

Indicative of American politics in general, just different topics.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I'm of the opinion that if you think the American government had any part in 9/11, or worse yet, actually covered it up, then you need to get your head examined. This is the same government who nearly ****s up everything they touch, but yet some people believe they have the ability to orchestrate the biggest cover-up in history.
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Healthcare website: complete failure
Managing a budget: complete failure
Managing their own employees: complete failure
Managing Welfare: complete failure
Managing the Intelligence Community: complete failure
Not overpaying for every piece of equipment they buy: complete failure
A million other things: complete failure
Getting a bj in the Oval Office without getting snitched on: complete failure

Plotting and keeping the murder of 3,000 people under wraps for 14 years with zero witness leaks: Absolute success

Yeah, that seems about right.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
So our government knowingly allowed thousands of Americans to die? What the ****?
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I don't disagree there was probably intelligence that pointed to an attack in the works. Or possibly even intelligence pointing to the specific methods used on 9/11.

However, it would have been seen as so far fetched it would have been (and probably was) dismissed out of hand as utter craziness. I mean, nobody could have contemplated four airliners hijacked at the same time and used as crude guided missiles. If it had been brought up as a viable option, the analyst probably would have been laughed out of the room.

I don't believe our intelligence agencies in this nation were so inept to have missed the chatter going on. But to entertain the sheer scope and magnitude of the attacks would have required too great a leap of faith on many high ranking people's part.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I'm of the opinion that if you think the American government had any part in 9/11, or worse yet, actually covered it up, then you need to get your head examined. This is the same government who nearly ****s up everything they touch, but yet some people believe they have the ability to orchestrate the biggest cover-up in history.
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Incredible, isn't it?

They are often the same people who (rightly) rail against the inefficiencies and general dumbassery of government in all other affairs. Then, when it comes to conspiracies, the government suddenly becomes super efficient, more suave than James Bond, and more stealthy than B-2 over Sub-Saharan Africa.

But don't worry, they have bested ol' Sherlock and cracked the vast double-secret conspiracy for the rest of us feeble-minded sheep. Baaaaaa!
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
Healthcare website: complete failure
Managing a budget: complete failure
Managing their own employees: complete failure
Managing Welfare: complete failure
Managing the Intelligence Community: complete failure
Not overpaying for every piece of equipment they buy: complete failure
A million other things: complete failure
Getting a bj in the Oval Office without getting snitched on: complete failure

Plotting and keeping the murder of 3,000 people under wraps for 14 years with zero witness leaks: Absolute success

Yeah, that seems about right.
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Lol...I am going to need YouTube videos proving their incompetence in the above mentioned because you know what's on YouTube can't be wrong
 
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