9/11 Conspiracy Thread

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#626
OrangeWayOfLife said:
Ok so I went through and did some notes on the video I posted since none of you simpletons will watch it but can discuss building collapses for hours on end, hopefully I have enough space:
-Silverstien owned all three buildings
-After privatizing in 98 he was able to bump the insurance coverage from 1.2B to 3.55B in July 01
-After attacks he tried to file two separate claims, eventually reaching a settlement of 4.55B in 2007, largest in history
-Marsh and McLennan occupied floors 93-100, I also gave you a link for some info on these guys, they were a securities group
-They contracted Silverstream to perform paperless transactions for their clientel, first company to do so and acheiveing awards
-The deadline given to Silverstream was 9/11/01
-One member brought to the attention of suspicious movement of transactions, equally roughly $10m
-Was silenced by executives
-Meeting was scheduled for the morning of 9/11, the executive phoned in from a different location, all were killed expect witness who was late
-Convar uncovered data from debris
-They found an unexplained surge in transactions the day before (9/10) and many north of $100m
-Also found a massive data purge took place the day before from Duetche Bank, a client of Marsh. Marsh had ties with lots of big name banks
-Marsh executive Paul Brener, went on to oversee the occupation of Iraq, also gave the official story on the news rounds after the accident
-9/12/11 SEC opens investigation to unknown group of traders who made millions on insider trading and put options
-United Airlines, sold 90 times as many put options on 9/10 than the three weeks prior
-American Airlines and Morgan Stanley, who was the occupied the most space in the WTC also had abnormal put options placed on them.
-Raytheon, a defense contractor, saw a major increase in purchases the day prior and when the markets reopened had gained 30% value
-The SEC reviewed over 9.5 million transactions in relation to the attacks, largets investigation ever
-Claimed no one who had advanced knowledge of the attacks made trade moves
-Three Scientific papers came out, claiming the abnormally large number of put options being the largest red flag, saying that people made move in anticipation
-Stratesec was a security company who did business with the airport and the white house, and was run by relatives of the Bush family, they saw their share value double on the re open of the markets
-Carylye Group, had bin laden family investors, met at Ritz Carlton with H W Bush on 9/11, Osama's brother was in attendance, here I made a reference to Duetche Bank but it is illegible in my notes
-Ptech, an eneterprise acrheticture company, was designed to find problems in real time, specialized in risk maganement, used by JPMorgan
-Used to prevent money laudering, insder trading, etc
-Clients included, FBI, IRS, DoD, USAF, White House, Secret Service, Navy, USPS, and more
-Yasin al-Qadi was a Saudi investor in P-tech (BHAM this was what I was refeering to)
-He provided $5mil of the $20 mil start up cost of Ptech and continued investing after launch
-In 98 the UN council suspected him as funding al-Qaida
-It was reported he was even introduced as an owner
-He also direct ties to BMI
-Ptech was granted security clearances to perform their work, they could access nearly anything
-They also had to FAA and flight patterns
-9/11 commsission doesn't even mention Ptech
-In Dec 02, Ptech was raided, after a two weeks notice, nothing came of it
-Donald Rumsfeild on 9/10/01 declared a war on the pentagon beauracy in a presser
-They could not account for 2.6 trillion dollars
-Most financial staff and info were stored in wedge 1, where the "plane" striked
-In 2002 Thomas White was unable to produce a financial statement for the following year due to the amount of information lost in the attack
-He was also a senior executive at Enron
-The SEC occupied the 11-13 floors of WTC 7, they lost 3 to 4 thousand active case files in their bulding collapse


That's a lot of reading but it's better than an hour video. If you guys want to find the truth you need fight a different fight than the demolition angle. My theory, al-Qadi is the mastermind behind this, getting info from Ptech, possibly being aided. How many terroists were Saudi's again? And the CIA had the previous knowledge and took the opportunity to nuke their finance department and made a back door deal with Saudi Arabia with the invasion of the ME
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@volfan, you obviously lied about how far back you went in my post history, but here you go
 
#628
#628
Pacer92 said:
Click play and see. You're so brainwashed you can't fathom that anyone but the govt and their hand picked associates can be right. You won't even entertain the notion that YOUR govt could mislead you.

Keep blindly following....
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The brainwashing may be on your end my friend. A mirror and personal reflection can a long way sometimes.
 
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#629
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bamawriter said:
I've already discussed that earlier. You're wrong.

But let's say you're right. Why would the government say that a plane scrashed in that field and not actually crash a plane in that field? They have already proven their willingness to crash a plane as a false front.

The question that must be answered: if not, why not?
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If I'm wrong, where is the evidence showing a plane crash with people and luggage. Where is the debris field?

Whatever hit in PA or the Pentagon obviously had no people in them. Until someone can present photos of massive amounts of death I'll continue to believe this.

I think the crash in PA was made to be a feel good story for Americans to rally around. Those brave people fought back and prevented the terrorist from succeeding, even in the face of certain death. It was a rally cry imo.
 
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Pacer92 said:
If I'm wrong, where is the evidence showing a plane crash with people and luggage. Where is the debris field?

Whatever hit in PA or the Pentagon obviously had no people in them. Until someone can present photos of massive amounts of death I'll continue to believe this.

I think the crash in PA was made to be a feel good story for Americans to rally around. Those brave people fought back and prevented the terrorist from succeeding, even in the face of certain death. It was a rally cry imo.
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Where are those people and planes then? Did the government just kill them all and destroy the planes? If they did that, wouldn't it make more sense to actually crash the planes?

It doesn't add up
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Hey buddy, I posted what you wanted, you talk about the who and why? Nope didn't think so. No debunker what's to dig in that hole and there is a reason
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Threy have no connection. That's what people like you do. Gather random facts, throw them in a paragraph, step back and say prove there isn't a connection.

If you claim something, you are the one who has to provide something that substantiates your claim.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Threy have no connection. That's what people like you do. Gather random facts, throw them in a paragraph, step back and say prove there isn't a connection.

If you claim something, you are the one who has to provide something that substantiates your claim.
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Yeah thats what I did. Those provide the info my claim that it was back door deal with al-qadi and the Saudi's to get us in the Middle East. He could have had an infinite amount of knowledge on nearly anything from our defense and faa through ptech, had the personal connections with Cheney, and the list goes on. What I posted only scratches the surface in marsh and the big time companies who made unusual moves directly before the event that landed them ahead. What is your claim on the who and why and what substance do you have?
 
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#635
Pacer92 said:
If I'm wrong, where is the evidence showing a plane crash with people and luggage. Where is the debris field?

Whatever hit in PA or the Pentagon obviously had no people in them. Until someone can present photos of massive amounts of death I'll continue to believe this.

I think the crash in PA was made to be a feel good story for Americans to rally around. Those brave people fought back and prevented the terrorist from succeeding, even in the face of certain death. It was a rally cry imo.
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Once again, you absolutely refuse to answer direct questions. Even if you're right about there being no planes at the Pentagon and PA, why weren't there? Why would the government stage four plane crashes and only use planes in 2 of them?
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Threy have no connection. That's what people like you do. Gather random facts, throw them in a paragraph, step back and say prove there isn't a connection.

If you claim something, you are the one who has to provide something that substantiates your claim.
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How can you even say they have no connection? They are all intertwined and it's right there for the reading. All these people were connected, you saying otherwise is completely untrue and speaking out of your ass
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
How can you even say they have no connection? They are all intertwined and it's right there for the reading. All these people were connected, you saying otherwise is completely untrue and speaking out of your ass
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They $2.6 trillion has already been addressed by many in this thread. It wasn't and isn't 'missing'.

Now you stated multiple time the SEC was investigating certain people and groups for knowledge prior to 9/11. (Biggest in history from your words) What did the SEC find? Can you link their final reports on these matters? I'd like to read the literature involved.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
They $2.6 trillion has already been addressed by many in this thread. It wasn't and isn't 'missing'.

Now you stated multiple time the SEC was investigating certain people and groups for knowledge prior to 9/11. (Biggest in history from your words) What did the SEC find? Can you link their final reports on these matters? I'd like to read the literature involved.
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I know you don't like videos but I have to get to work. This is full of info and doesn't do down any tin foil rabbit holes, and not one peep of how a building fell or any of that crap. Watch this


https://youtu.be/n3xgjxJwedA
 
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#644
There are many accounts of debris being found around the Shanksville site.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Seems to have worked, I think the plane in PA was shot down. So only one instance where a plane wasn't used and guess what, you guys are eating it up as the truth so I guess it worked.

Ands it's funny how when I asked to that even if it was a plane, what about the rest of points on the who and why?
No debunker wants to argue that, why so?
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I don't know about any conspiracy BS or whether any plane was shot down but I remember the day pretty vividly and I can tell you that a ton of planes out of Langley were launched very shortly after the 2nd plane hit. I was working on Langley that day. One of the first times in my career that the &&&& got real on base. Medical people pulled and taken to who knows where, maintainers and jets on full alert.
 
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