9/11 Conspiracy Thread

#577
#577
PKT_VOL said:
Let's make this thread more interesting. For those of you who believe it was a conspiracy:

1) What happened to the towers (all three)?
2) What happened to the Pentagon?
3) What happened to the other plane (if there was one)?
4) Who was directly responsible (meaning doing the actual dirty work)?
5) Who was indirectly responsible (the masterminds)?
6) To what end or goal was 9/11 for?

Please don't link videos. I just want to your own words of what you feel happened.
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1: twin towers hit by planes in specific, pre determined areas. Building 7 had the safes looted and was intentionally took down to destroy records of malpractice by the large firms and banks profiting off prior knowledge and cover theirselves on illegal business practices unrelated to 9/11

2: shot by missle. Destroyed records that the department did not want to get out regarding where the unaccounted money had gone and what is used for. Was also under construction prior and more info could have been moved to the area for destruction

3: shot down. Only a very very select few would have had knowledge and could not have ordered a stand down without a huge red flag, or more plausibly, they weren't in the know

4: Saudi terrorists

5:Yasin al-qadi, marsh and meclennan, small group of top world businessmen, dick Cheney

6: back door deal with the Saudis orchestrated by al-qadi to get us in to the Middle East. Saudi Arabia was able to make great profits and wanted Saddam out of the Middle East, he was the greatest threat to their and Iran's power and influence in the area
 
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#578
#578
bamawriter said:
If you post enough repetitive videos, they might magically change the past and become accurate.

Seriously, you've posted enough. Try answering the questions directed to you. If you aren't able to, maybe you should just stop all together.
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Is this all you have? I've directed many questions that no one answers.

Where is the wreckage, the luggage, the bodies of flight 93 or the Pentagon?

Where is the debris from the plane flying into the north tower? Alluminum cans don't slice through steel and disappear. Wings that a human being can't stand on without endangering them, don't slice through steel and concrete...
 
#579
#579
OWoL,

If they were going to use the planes as a false front on the WTC, why wouldn't they do so at the Pentagon or in PA? It makes absolutely no sense to leave your conspiracy so wide open to discovery.
 
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bamawriter said:
OWoL,

If they were going to use the planes as a false front on the WTC, why wouldn't they do so at the Pentagon or in PA? It makes absolutely no sense to leave your conspiracy so wide open to discovery.
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No one truly knows where flight 93 was headed so can't really speculate anything other than what happened

At the pentagon, there is absolutely no proof of a plane that has been presented. Not only would be extremely difficult to fly that large of a plane at those speeds at that low an altitude, the impact crater doesn't fit the mold for aircraft impact. Why do we not see any plane debris the pictures? If it went deep enough for the wings to impact, where is the damage? Titanium in the engines doesn't desentigrate
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
No one truly knows where flight 93 was headed so can't really speculate anything other than what happened

At the pentagon, there is absolutely no proof of a plane that has been presented. Not only would be extremely difficult to fly that large of a plane at those speeds at that low an altitude, the impact crater doesn't fit the mold for aircraft impact. Why do we not see any plane debris the pictures? If it went deep enough for the wings to impact, where is the damage? Titanium in the engines doesn't desentigrate
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There were a couple links posted earlier that might be of interest to you.

Showed the trajectory of the plane and also the damage it caused before it made impact with the Pentagon. Lamp poles down, generators struck, etc.

It also shows photos of plane debris out front of the pentagon.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
There were a couple links posted earlier that might be of interest to you.

Showed the trajectory of the plane and also the damage it caused before it made impact with the Pentagon. Lamp poles down, generators struck, etc.

It also shows photos of plane debris out front of the pentagon.
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I've seen them all, do you really think the only thing left would be a couple mangled body panels? Why does the impact crater not show any damage by the wings?
 
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#584
OrangeWayOfLife said:
I've seen them all, do you really think the only thing left would be a couple mangled body panels? Why does the impact crater not show any damage by the wings?
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You said you didn't see any pictures of debris and that there would have to be damage leading up to the actual strike.

I was telling you there was a post earlier that addressed both of those issues.

I don't see why a few mangled panels on the outside is a big point for you, most of the plane was inside the building.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
You said you didn't see any pictures of debris and that there would have to be damage leading up to the actual strike.

I was telling you there was a post earlier that addressed both of those issues.

I don't see why a few mangled panels on the outside is a big point for you, most of the plane was inside the building.
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So how did the wings and engines get in?
 
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Pacer92 said:
Is this all you have? I've directed many questions that no one answers.

Where is the wreckage, the luggage, the bodies of flight 93 or the Pentagon?

Where is the debris from the plane flying into the north tower? Alluminum cans don't slice through steel and disappear. Wings that a human being can't stand on without endangering them, don't slice through steel and concrete...
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I have already discussed these exact questions with you. You ignored me and posted another video.
 
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bamawriter said:
I have already discussed these exact questions with you. You ignored me and posted another video.
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I wouldn't answer if I were him, either.

You saw what happened when he opened his mouth and spoke for himself instead of through YouTube video. It didn't end well.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Most of the plane made it inside. If I remember correctly, the video shows 1 engine outside the Pentagon and wing shrapnel strewn about.

Were all of the plane remnants planted there by the feds then?
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So the wings fell off prior to making contact with the building and yet it was still able to hit its target and penetrate so deep it disappeared out of sight from those outside? How long after the crash was it before the press was allowed in the area?

But look, we could take out that I said it wasn't a plane and say it was a plane for kicks and giggles. What about the rest of the points I made and have made mention to? Why is it debunkers only fixate on the how and nothing about the who and why? You completely ignore my other points and facts I've pointed out but the only thing you guys can debate is what happened with the planes. That's only a small part of the complete story
 
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#591
volfanngatorland said:
I wouldn't answer if I were him, either.

You saw what happened when he opened his mouth and spoke for himself instead of through YouTube video. It didn't end well.
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I've posted videos that explain the happenings. You chose to ignore. Have it your way...
 
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#592
volfanngatorland said:
Most of the plane made it inside. If I remember correctly, the video shows 1 engine outside the Pentagon and wing shrapnel strewn about.

Were all of the plane remnants planted there by the feds then?
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Where is the rest of the wreckage? People, luggage, clothes, big pieces of aircraft, the wings that flew off? Where is any of this?
 
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#593
I still don't understand the theory:

If the government was willing to use planes as a false front in NYC, and they were always going to claim that planes hit the Pentagon and the field in PA, why wouldn't they actually hit those targets with planes along with the missle or whatever? If you are going to use planes as an excuse in 4 situations where the planes aren't actually the cause of the disaster, why would you only take the step to crash planes at only 2 of the 4 sites?

It makes absolutely no sense at all.
 
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Pacer92 said:
I've posted videos that explain the happenings. You chose to ignore. Have it your way...
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Videos can't respond to questions. I've expressed concerns about the arguments in the videos, and you simply post more videos that don't address those concerns. The fact that you won't do so leads me to believe that you steadfastly refuse to actually think about anything that doesn't confirm your assumptions.
 
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bamawriter said:
Videos can't respond to questions. I've expressed concerns about the arguments in the videos, and you simply post more videos that don't address those concerns. The fact that you won't do so leads me to believe that you steadfastly refuse to actually think about anything that doesn't confirm your assumptions.
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Definition of a troll.
 
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bamawriter said:
I still don't understand the theory:

If the government was willing to use planes as a false front in NYC, and they were always going to claim that planes hit the Pentagon and the field in PA, why wouldn't they actually hit those targets with planes along with the missle or whatever? If you are going to use planes as an excuse in 4 situations where the planes aren't actually the cause of the disaster, why would you only take the step to crash planes at only 2 of the 4 sites?

It makes absolutely no sense at all.
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Because it would be impossible to make a precision strike that took out the Pentagon budget department with an airplane. But, obviously a missile wouldn't fit the narrative.

This was a blatant missile strike guys. The most videotaped, heavily guarded place in the world and they give us a cloudy tape of a UFO.

Multiple witnesses saying there were no bodies, no seats, no luggage at the crash site...
 
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Pacer92 said:
Because it would be impossible to make a precision strike that took out the Pentagon budget department with an airplane. But, obviously a missile wouldn't fit the narrative.

This was a blatant missile strike guys. The most videotaped, heavily guarded place in the world and they give us a cloudy tape of a UFO.

Multiple witnesses saying there were no bodies, no seats, no luggage at the crash site...
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What about the witnesses that saw the plane fly over and strike the building?

I'm interested to see how you discredit those
 
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#598
#598
Pacer92 said:
No, it's simply because you can't...

It's what you do..
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Can't counter the argument that somehow the largest terrorist attack in history was orchestrated and implemented by the US Government in complete secrecy for goals that are not so clear?

And furthermore the individuals involved, likely numbering in the thousands, have kept quiet about it this long?

Additionally, you place your faith in the science of snow thinking somehow that is directly comparable to the unique design of that building?

And you still avoid the big question as to "why."

Yet you continue to stand by two YouTube videos and won't point out the applicable sections nor offer any arguments against the direct questions posted here by others. My applause to you for the masterful troll job you've implemented here.
 
#600
#600
I know we have one person on here that's educated in structural engineering. I was hoping he'd chime in with his two cents.
 
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