9/11 Conspiracy Thread

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Pacer92 said:
Answered your questions in multiple ways...

Why would they if they didn't have to??...the memory engrained of the passengers fighting back against terrorism is all that was required. That's what they want you to remember...not the lack of evidence.

Do you believe our govenment is above deceiving the masses?
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They didn't have to fly planes into the WTC, but you believe they did. Your theory becomes self-contradictory pretty quickly.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Watch this video....
https://youtu.be/rVCDpL4Ax7I

Science doesn't lie...
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I am willing to bet that height he can't figure out is above sea level plus the height of the building

4 minute mark. free fall only gets slowed after the 3 second mark.

in his world this is evidence of foul play. to me is signifies when it got to the undamaged floors. the collapse starts with those above and it isn't until those levels get past the point of initial collapse that they slow down. perfectly reasonable.

5 minute mark. it was probably averaged. funny he doesn't go into what their result is actually saying. he even hints that he is "aimed" at a different result. so no wonder its different. and he says they started their clock early but offers no proof for it.

6 minute mark. the formula he is going on about is precisely what he says it isn't showing. AVERAGE.

7. he gets pissy that NIST wrote a report going to the idiots in Congress used simplified math? I saw some notes, those probably lead to the "real math". and its elementary before you start breaking something down you at least read and understand what its saying.

the expert is a high school teacher yet passes himself off as a professional? and the TRUTHERS use him as their expert? I would never expect him to understand these things.

8. he even says free fall shouldn't be in the conversation (WTF DO YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP IF YOUR VIDEOS AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING ITS A POINTLESS TERM)

8.5 I already explained, if the point of failure is below there is nothing for the upper levels to crush/displace until they get to that point.

9. this is where his non-professional opinion matters none at all. I will say it again WE DESIGN THEM TO FAIL A CERTAIN WAY. BECAUSE IT MAKES EVERYTHING EASIER AND WE KNOW WHERE/HOW THE FAILURE WILL BE. IT SAVES LIVES. our code commentary even includes examples of why their requirements are such.

where is the sign of demolition? No flash, no bang, no dust coming up?

If I presented this in college I would have failed the assignment and something as sloppy as this at work I could be fired for incompetence. why you are sure to ask? for all the reasons listed above.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Answered your questions in multiple ways...

Why would they if they didn't have to??...the memory engrained of the passengers fighting back against terrorism is all that was required. That's what they want you to remember...not the lack of evidence.

Do you believe our govenment is above deceiving the masses?
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I'm not above the government deceiving the masses, but to pull off something as huge as 9/11 with all the people that would have been involved is a huge stretch.
It would have been much easier to fake if they'd had some jihadis drive numerous box trucks loaded with bombs throughout NYC
 
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LouderVol said:
I am willing to bet that height he can't figure out is above sea level plus the height of the building

4 minute mark. free fall only gets slowed after the 3 second mark.

in his world this is evidence of foul play. to me is signifies when it got to the undamaged floors. the collapse starts with those above and it isn't until those levels get past the point of initial collapse that they slow down. perfectly reasonable.

5 minute mark. it was probably averaged. funny he doesn't go into what their result is actually saying. he even hints that he is "aimed" at a different result. so no wonder its different. and he says they started their clock early but offers no proof for it.

6 minute mark. the formula he is going on about is precisely what he says it isn't showing. AVERAGE.

7. he gets pissy that NIST wrote a report going to the idiots in Congress used simplified math? I saw some notes, those probably lead to the "real math". and its elementary before you start breaking something down you at least read and understand what its saying.

the expert is a high school teacher yet passes himself off as a professional? and the TRUTHERS use him as their expert? I would never expect him to understand these things.

8. he even says free fall shouldn't be in the conversation (WTF DO YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP IF YOUR VIDEOS AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING ITS A POINTLESS TERM)

8.5 I already explained, if the point of failure is below there is nothing for the upper levels to crush/displace until they get to that point.

9. this is where his non-professional opinion matters none at all. I will say it again WE DESIGN THEM TO FAIL A CERTAIN WAY. BECAUSE IT MAKES EVERYTHING EASIER AND WE KNOW WHERE/HOW THE FAILURE WILL BE. IT SAVES LIVES. our code commentary even includes examples of why their requirements are such.

where is the sign of demolition? No flash, no bang, no dust coming up?

If I presented this in college I would have failed the assignment and something as sloppy as this at work I could be fired for incompetence. why you are sure to ask? for all the reasons listed above.
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Pacer92 said:
No burden on me...you guys come at me and Ras, and a few others that aren't afraid to question(Airvol, BigOrangeTrain, Obsessed) with emotional name calling and little else...

You guys have many questions, but very few answers...
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Like I said, asking questions is encouraged about most things. Except of course 9/11. I mean the US government have committed so many atrocities and lied to us so much over the years. Now we should not trust them with money, their ability to govern us or to act intelligently. Basically, we should not take the governments word because they are a corrupt, secretive bunch that doesnt have our best interests at heart.

Yet concerning 9/11, we should just trust the government fully and wholeheartedly. No questions. No inquiries. Nobody who has ever offered alternate versions of what happened are valid, only what the government report says counts. Hypocrisy at its finest.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I'm not above the government deceiving the masses, but to pull off something as huge as 9/11 with all the people that would have been involved is a huge stretch.
It would have been much easier to fake if they'd had some jihadis drive numerous box trucks loaded with bombs throughout NYC
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Agree with the huge stretch. However, not impossible. Especially for the most powerful governmental body on the planet.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Like I said, asking questions is encouraged about most things. Except of course 9/11. I mean the US government have committed so many atrocities and lied to us so much over the years. Now we should not trust them with money, their ability to govern us or to act intelligently. Basically, we should not take the governments word because they are a corrupt, secretive bunch that doesnt have our best interests at heart.

Yet concerning 9/11, we should just trust the government fully and wholeheartedly. No questions. No inquiries. Nobody who has ever offered alternate versions of what happened are valid, only what the government report says counts. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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BOT, 9/11 didn't unfold in an environment of secrecy. There were thousands of witnesses to the events live and several million more to pieces of it on TV.

The 9/11 narrative wasn't put together by the government. It was put together by witnesses. The Truther movement attempts to cast the witness version as a government conspiracy.

Also, there was an inquiry that did not support the Truther's hypotheses. Instead of moving on, the redacted 28 pages were seized upon to further the conspiracy.

Finally, most people here are having a discussion with you so I'm not sure why the victimization post above.
 
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LouderVol said:
I am willing to bet that height he can't figure out is above sea level plus the height of the building

4 minute mark. free fall only gets slowed after the 3 second mark.

in his world this is evidence of foul play. to me is signifies when it got to the undamaged floors. the collapse starts with those above and it isn't until those levels get past the point of initial collapse that they slow down. perfectly reasonable.

5 minute mark. it was probably averaged. funny he doesn't go into what their result is actually saying. he even hints that he is "aimed" at a different result. so no wonder its different. and he says they started their clock early but offers no proof for it.

6 minute mark. the formula he is going on about is precisely what he says it isn't showing. AVERAGE.

7. he gets pissy that NIST wrote a report going to the idiots in Congress used simplified math? I saw some notes, those probably lead to the "real math". and its elementary before you start breaking something down you at least read and understand what its saying.

the expert is a high school teacher yet passes himself off as a professional? and the TRUTHERS use him as their expert? I would never expect him to understand these things.

8. he even says free fall shouldn't be in the conversation (WTF DO YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP IF YOUR VIDEOS AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING ITS A POINTLESS TERM)

8.5 I already explained, if the point of failure is below there is nothing for the upper levels to crush/displace until they get to that point.

9. this is where his non-professional opinion matters none at all. I will say it again WE DESIGN THEM TO FAIL A CERTAIN WAY. BECAUSE IT MAKES EVERYTHING EASIER AND WE KNOW WHERE/HOW THE FAILURE WILL BE. IT SAVES LIVES. our code commentary even includes examples of why their requirements are such.

where is the sign of demolition? No flash, no bang, no dust coming up?

If I presented this in college I would have failed the assignment and something as sloppy as this at work I could be fired for incompetence. why you are sure to ask? for all the reasons listed above.
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https://youtu.be/9EXb9LMeizA
 
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I've honestly wondered if the plane that crashed in the field wasn't shot down. Not crying conspiracy, just actually wonder about it.
 
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Pacer92 said:
https://youtu.be/9EXb9LMeizA
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two different videos. really curious about how loud the flashes were compared to how nothing was happening (windows getting blow out). also the sequencing was strange in there and not like any controlled demo I have seen before. since youtube videos are popular

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgt2a9RaMOo[/youtube]

kyle field as an example. a string of very noticeable explosions.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2E_m7l2Rww[/youtube]

demolition of a skyscraper. lots of explosions again in series and again very noticeable.

again looked nothing like a controlled demo, not enough explosions, either in number or how big they were, not timed enough and again sequencing was all over the place.
 
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LouderVol said:
two different videos. really curious about how loud the flashes were compared to how nothing was happening (windows getting blow out). also the sequencing was strange in there and not like any controlled demo I have seen before. since youtube videos are popular

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgt2a9RaMOo[/youtube]

kyle field as an example. a string of very noticeable explosions.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2E_m7l2Rww[/youtube]

demolition of a skyscraper. lots of explosions again in series and again very noticeable.

again looked nothing like a controlled demo, not enough explosions, either in number or how big they were, not timed enough and again sequencing was all over the place.
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So what were the blasts and explosions in wtc 7 in the video I posted?
 
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Pacer92 said:
https://youtu.be/Ypc4ieJO0pg
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Why wouldn't they just use the planes that had been hijacked? What's the point of hijacking planes if you're just going to use a cruise missile? Just crash the actual planes into buildings. (This was BW's question to you yesterday, I believe)

Also, DC/Baltimore has a metropolitan population of nearly 10 million. Launching a cruise missile over the city doesn't seem like a very good way to cover up what is really going on, does it?
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Why wouldn't they just use the planes that had been hijacked? What's the point of hijacking planes if you're just going to use a cruise missile? Just crash the actual planes into buildings. (This was BW's question to you yesterday, I believe)

Also, DC/Baltimore has a metropolitan population of nearly 10 million. Launching a cruise missile over the city doesn't seem like a very good way to cover up what is really going on, does it?
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Plus tomahawk cruise missiles are relatively slow so they would be easy to spot.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Why wouldn't they just use the planes that had been hijacked? What's the point of hijacking planes if you're just going to use a cruise missile? Just crash the actual planes into buildings. (This was BW's question to you yesterday, I believe)

Also, DC/Baltimore has a metropolitan population of nearly 10 million. Launching a cruise missile over the city doesn't seem like a very good way to cover up what is really going on, does it?
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As many experts and hundreds of professional pilots have stated, it would be impossible to maneuver a 757 in for that hit on the pentagon the way official story was given to us...


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report
 
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Screw the science of all this, I would really like to know from those that are calling conspiracy, how many people would it take to pull this off? How do you keep them quiet? How do you keep this a secret in a town where nothing can be kept secret? What's the motivation? How could those involved stomach killing 3000+ of our countrymen?
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Screw the science of all this, I would really like to know from those that are calling conspiracy, how many people would it take to pull this off? How do you keep them quiet? How do you keep this a secret in a town where nothing can be kept secret? What's the motivation? How could those involved stomach killing 3000+ of our countrymen?
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This is a great point. it would take thousands to pull something like this off.

I've had this thought before.
 
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