9/11 Conspiracy Thread

I've honestly wondered if the plane that crashed in the field wasn't shot down. Not crying conspiracy, just actually wonder about it.

Between the remoteness of the area, the "let's roll" story and the likely intended target, I think that's probably a pretty common question to have.
 
Between the remoteness of the area, the "let's roll" story and the likely intended target, I think that's probably a pretty common question to have.

I wouldn't not be surprised one bit if that ended up coming out. That theory is actually logical.
 
Am I not answering the way you want? Is that it?

I'm arguing the evidence and science that is known...

I simply asked for your opinion on these questions:

Why wouldn't they just use the planes that had been hijacked? What's the point of hijacking planes if you're just going to use a cruise missile? Just crash the actual planes into buildings. (This was BW's question to you yesterday, I believe)

Also, DC/Baltimore has a metropolitan population of nearly 10 million. Launching a cruise missile over the city doesn't seem like a very good way to cover up what is really going on, does it?


If you don't think you can answer them logically, that's ok to admit. I'm trying to understand your line of thinking on what is the most logical conclusion, in your opinion.
 
You aren't answering anyone's specific questions regarding your theories. Why is that?

Please refer to my above questions. Thanks

He can't answer because he hasn't thought it all thru. He subscribes to every conspiracy theory with peak commitment and doesn't concern himself with contradictions. If you need a perfect example of cognitive dissonance, you need look no further than this thread.
 
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What I never understand is why most conspiracy guys don't just buy into 1 or 2 or etc theories. They seem to buy everything.

If part of it was a conspiracy, wouldn't all of it be?

I get it. You're either in or out! There is no in between in this case. It took me many years to get on this side. I was on the other side for 10 yrs or more, but over time, digging into all the evidence....science doesn't lie. I get the hesitancy and the flat out rejection of conspiracy, I do.
 
He can't answer because he hasn't thought it all thru. He subscribes to every conspiracy theory with peak commitment and doesn't concern himself with contradictions. If you need a perfect example of cognitive dissonance, you need look no further than this thread.

I'm all for hearing out someone's theory if they can provide something logical for me to think about.

That has yet to happen.
 
I simply asked for your opinion on these questions:

Why wouldn't they just use the planes that had been hijacked? What's the point of hijacking planes if you're just going to use a cruise missile? Just crash the actual planes into buildings. (This was BW's question to you yesterday, I believe)

Also, DC/Baltimore has a metropolitan population of nearly 10 million. Launching a cruise missile over the city doesn't seem like a very good way to cover up what is really going on, does it?


If you don't think you can answer them logically, that's ok to admit. I'm trying to understand your line of thinking on what is the most logical conclusion, in your opinion.

Obviously, and I've made this clear, if they used a cruise missile on the Pentagon and no plane in Shanksville, there was no hijacking of these two planes...

Is that simple enough for you guys?
 
Plus tomahawk cruise missiles are relatively slow so they would be easy to spot.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/f-EVg1h8q-o[/youtube]

For reference, here's a cruise missile going over a city in Iraq. I'd say something like that cruising over DC would have garnered some attention, would it not?
 
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Obviously, and I've made this clear, if they used a cruise missile on the Pentagon and no plane in Shanksville, there was no hijacking of these two planes...

Is that simple enough for you guys?

Sure. I do have a couple follow up questions though.

Where are these physical planes? Did they crash them in the ocean? Are they parked on a remote island somewhere? Did they make up these flights? Are all the people who were on those planes made up? If they weren't made up people, where are they now?
 
He can't answer because he hasn't thought it all thru. He subscribes to every conspiracy theory with peak commitment and doesn't concern himself with contradictions. If you need a perfect example of cognitive dissonance, you need look no further than this thread.

Can you contradict the explosions in the video I linked? Can you link anything that is substantial or useful to the debate?

Can you hide your emotional, whiny lurking?
 
Sure. I do have a couple follow up questions though.

Where are these physical planes? Did they crash them in the ocean? Are they parked on a remote island somewhere? Did they make up these flights? Are all the people who were on those planes made up? If they weren't made up people, where are they now?

What separates one 757 from another? Numbers?!

I think they were made up...
 
Yep, Grandvol called it, more of the exact same arguments that were beat down before. Free falling this, pilots couldn't do it that...it's #$&%@ 50 First Dates with this stuff.

Nothing new and the only questions that can't be answered are the ones being leveled at the Truthers. First and foremost why in the blue screaming monkey humping hell would anyone use such a Rube Goldberg/Wile E Coyote on acid plan in the first place? It's idiocy dipped in stupid wrapped in absurdity and drizzled with incredulity.

OK, let's accept there were people with nefarious intent in the government/secret cabal/Illuminati/whoever. Let's accept they were willing (or found puppets who were) to die for the cause. Let's accept they were willing to kill many innocents to reach their goal. In short, as far as who and why are concerned, let's just go ahead and accept ALL OF IT.

Accepting all of the above only people on not just "full" but "mega-ultra-super-epic-full retard" would undertake the Truthers operation. The degree of complicity alone (ALONE!) would get the plan laughed at by our evil schemers. The simple truth of the matter is there's no reason to believe, for one nanosecond, that a group of bright 5th graders couldn't cook up a better plan, which could accomplish the same general social/political ends, with 99% less logistical and security exposure, than this Hatter's Tea Party that gets passed off as the modern 9/11 conspiracy model.

If what you want is the effect of flying some planes into buildings why not do JUST that? Even more conniving would be if you got wind of such a plot bury/deflect the Intel and hope they succeed if that helps your goal. Nice conspiracy to play with there. The whole Timothy Leary chasing dragons bit stops making sense before it GATS out of the planning stage much less application.
 
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What separates one 757 from another? Numbers?!

I think they were made up...

Ok, I'm at least starting to see your line of thinking.

The passengers that the government tells us perished on those planes, they were made up people too?
 
Yep, Grandvol called it, more of the exact same arguments that were beat down before. Free falling this, pilots couldn't do it that...it's #$&%@ 50 First Dates with this stuff.

Nothing new and the only questions that can't be answered are the ones being leveled at the Truthers. First and foremost why in the blue screaming monkey humping hell would anyone use such a Rube Goldberg/Wile E Coyote on acid plan in the first place? It's idiocy dipped in stupid wrapped absurdity drizzled with incredulity.

OK, let's accept there were people with nefarious intent in the government/secret cabal/Illuminati/whoever. Let's accept they were willing (or found puppets who were) to die for the cause. Let's accept they were willing to kill many innocents to reach their goal. In short, as far as who and why are concerned, let's just go ahead and accept ALL OF IT.

Accepting all of the above only people on not just "full" but "mega-ultra-super-epic-full retard" would undertake the Truthers operation. The degree of complicity alone (ALONE!) would get the plan laughed at by our evil schemers. The simple truth of the matter is there's no reason to believe, for one nanosecond, that a group of bright 5th graders could cook up a better plan, which could accomplish the same general social/political ends, with 99% less logistical and security exposure, than this Hatter's Tea Party that gets passed off as the modern 9/11 conspiracy model.

If what you want is the effect of flying some planes into buildings why not do JUST that? Even more conniving would be if you got wind of such a plot bury/deflect the Intel and hope they succeed if that helps your goal. Nice conspiracy to play with there. The whole Timothy Leary chasing dragons bit stops making sense before it GATS out of the planning stage much less application.

This is why it's the same thing...^^^

People who can't logically question. They resort to emotional attacking. Can't fathom our government doing wrong here, but attack it every day in other threads...
 
Can you contradict the explosions in the video I linked? Can you link anything that is substantial or useful to the debate?

Can you hide your emotional, whiny lurking?

I have given up debating facts with you after your meltdown over the "they had only a few hours of training" nonsense that was disproven by a link from your very own source. The facts were linked by YOUR SOURCE and you just pretended like they weren't there in black and white.

So if you don't care about facts, I see no reason to provide them. I'm more interested in how you flesh out your overall theory.
 
Ok, I'm at least starting to see your line of thinking.

The passengers that the government tells us perished on those planes, they were made up people too?

That's what i was referring to, the people...

I don't think it necessary to destroy or hide those two planes when a new number or paint job would suffice, jmo..
 
I have given up debating facts with you after your meltdown over the "they had only a few hours of training" nonsense that was disproven by a link from your very own source. The facts were linked by YOUR SOURCE and you just pretended like they weren't there in black and white.

So if you don't care about facts, I see no reason to provide them. I'm more interested in how you flesh out your overall theory.

So, you can't contradict the video evidence I brought in and move the goal posts...

Same ole...
 
That's what i was referring to, the people...

I don't think it necessary to destroy or hide those two planes when a new number or paint job would suffice, jmo..

The families who say they lost loved ones from the planes, air traffic controllers, United/American Airlines officials, Laguardia/airport officials, investigators at the crash sites, witnesses who say they saw planes/crashes.. All actors/part of the cover up?
 
So, you can't contradict the video evidence I brought in and move the goal posts...

Same ole...

I don't even watch your videos any more. You explicitly stated that you don't concern yourself with facts.

Again, my questions now concern why the government would do (or not do) what you think they did.
 
I don't even watch your videos any more. You explicitly stated that you don't concern yourself with facts.

Again, my questions now concern why the government would do (or not do) what you think they did.

Just admit you can't contradict them. You're laughable..

Done with you..
 
Just admit you can't contradict them. You're laughable..

Done with you..

When your own source linked a report that directly contradicted its claims, you completely ignored it and freaked out. Give me a single reason why I should discuss facts with you.

If anyone is curious as to what I'm talking about, jump back to page 59 (on 15 posts per page view). It's pretty amazing.
 
This is why it's the same thing...^^^

People who can't logically question. They resort to emotional attacking. Can't fathom our government doing wrong here, but attack it every day in other threads...

It's the same thing when you give this response when I took the time to dedicate a whole paragraph starting with "OK, let's accept...".

Like I said, GV called it.
 
The families who say they lost loved ones from the planes, air traffic controllers, United/American Airlines officials, Laguardia/airport officials, investigators at the crash sites, witnesses who say they saw planes/crashes.. All actors/part of the cover up?

There are plenty of testimonies...airport officials, pentagon personnel, wtc personnel, investigators that argue the official story...

If not, I probably wouldn't be on this side of it...
 

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