9/11 Conspiracy Thread

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Orange_Vol1321 said:
I have no problem with molten steel being there. I would find it hard to believe the temperature in that building didn't or couldn't reach 2750°F.

It shows kerosene can burn at 1500°F. You add in the contents of the bulding and I have no doubt the temp could hit 2750°F IMO.

The plane is built out of aluminum. Aluminum melts at 1200°F. You introduce water to it and it can set off explosions.
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I'm confused.

You can't sum all the temperatures to arrive at the melting point of steel.

If you're really interested, this link has a ton of scientific evidence about the molten metal at WTC on 9/11.

High-Temperature Thermitic Reactions | Twin Towers


 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ah I see, so the scientists on these websites are somehow wrong because you dont believe them and their research doesnt line up with what the official reports right? I guess you are good with whatever the government feeds you.
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ah back to the believing the government bit. come up with something original.

Government isn't giving us the whole truth, and these conspiracy websites don't know their ass from their elbow. I don't believe either. I believe the numbers I have run, the drawings, pictures and reports as well. Took several years of structures in college with a professor big on this type of stuff. Offered the 9/11 stuff as an extra credit of sorts. didn't grade you on what side you came down on, just if your math checked out. mine did.

I am willing to believe pretty much any of the anti-government stuff until it comes to the collapse of the towers. that stuff went down, pun more or less intended, as it should have.

but typical of truthers you can't handle a complex view of anything and want to be spoon fed the BS you like.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Yes, closer to 2700 F actually.

Did you know that thermite and micro spheres of iron were found in the dust at ground zero?

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do you know what thermite is made of? its more or less iron rust and aluminum. and it burns itself away.

also no one uses thermite as a controlled demolition device.
 
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LouderVol said:
do you know what thermite is made of? its more or less iron rust and aluminum. and it burns itself away.

also no one uses thermite as a controlled demolition device.
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How do any of your statements/questions above explain the presence of nano-thermite and micro spheres of iron?

Who uses nano-thermite? Does it have military applications?
 
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ajvol01 said:
I'm confused.

You can't sum all the temperatures to arrive at the melting point of steel.

If you're really interested, this link has a ton of scientific evidence about the molten metal at WTC on 9/11.

High-Temperature Thermitic Reactions | Twin Towers


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Back you can't say for certain that was molten steel either. It could have been anything.... plastic... brass.....who knows
 
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ajvol01 said:
Ever heard of Operation Northwoods?
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Ok .... place some explosives in the building detonated by remote.... drive a box truck full of fertilizer into the garage.... blow them up... then run stories that it was Mohammad Mohammad and durka durka and what not.... same end result.... less chance of failure...
Now...... back to 9/11... with the number of people that would have to be involved in the planning and cover up there's no way they'd all stay quiet.... not after thousands of people were killed
 
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LouderVol said:
ah back to the believing the government bit. come up with something original.

Government isn't giving us the whole truth, and these conspiracy websites don't know their ass from their elbow. I don't believe either. I believe the numbers I have run, the drawings, pictures and reports as well. Took several years of structures in college with a professor big on this type of stuff. Offered the 9/11 stuff as an extra credit of sorts. didn't grade you on what side you came down on, just if your math checked out. mine did.

I am willing to believe pretty much any of the anti-government stuff until it comes to the collapse of the towers. that stuff went down, pun more or less intended, as it should have.

but typical of truthers you can't handle a complex view of anything and want to be spoon fed the BS you like.
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Planes hit the towers. Un debatable. But the exact way in which the towers fell is very suspect. You can say its conspiracy all you want, but there are structural engineers and architects who have stated that they should have fell differently. There are also experts in the field of demolition that have said that the collapse was clearly a demo job. Whether or not they are right is something that absolutely cannot be answered with any certainty. I find it very interesting that there are scientists and professionals that disagree so widly on 9/11. The reason I find it fascinating is because when it comes to physics, there are laws involved that cannot be broken by any means we know of.

One of my biggest questions is how do people arrive at different conclusions using the exact same laws and calculations as others? Just seems strange. And lets not even discuss WTC building 7.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Ok .... place some explosives in the building detonated by remote.... drive a box truck full of fertilizer into the garage.... blow them up... then run stories that it was Mohammad Mohammad and durka durka and what not.... same end result.... less chance of failure...
Now...... back to 9/11... with the number of people that would have to be involved in the planning and cover up there's no way they'd all stay quiet.... not after thousands of people were killed
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Ok how do you know that those involved in the planning and cover ip (if there was one) werent killed afterwards? Or paid vast sums of money to keep quiet? Neither is an impossible scenario. Also, the government has been keeping us in the dark about a TON for decades. Yet. Nobody has really ratted them out on many things. Not saying its a for sure cover up but its definitely in the realm of possibility.
 
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ajvol01 said:
How do any of your statements/questions above explain the presence of nano-thermite and micro spheres of iron?

Who uses nano-thermite? Does it have military applications?
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So the only thing I have found on iron microspheres that isn't related to some truther nonsense is with plasma jets. plasma as in the fourth psuedo state of matter at extreme temps. typically argon based/fueled(?) plasma. seems like there is some medical use as well apparently, cancer it seems.

Thermite burns at around 4k, Plasma burns somewhere in the MILLIONS of degrees. can't find anything on at what temperature iron forms microspheres, but assuming I could only find references to it when dealing with plasma I am guessing thermite doesn't get anywhere close to microsphere temps.

can you give me anything nonthruther that would link iron spheres to thermite?

seems like there is no current use of nano-thermite. seems like "normal" thermite works well enough
 
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LouderVol said:
So the only thing I have found on iron microspheres that isn't related to some truther nonsense is with plasma jets. plasma as in the fourth psuedo state of matter at extreme temps. typically argon based/fueled(?) plasma. seems like there is some medical use as well apparently, cancer it seems.

Thermite burns at around 4k, Plasma burns somewhere in the MILLIONS of degrees. can't find anything on at what temperature iron forms microspheres, but assuming I could only find references to it when dealing with plasma I am guessing thermite doesn't get anywhere close to microsphere temps.

can you give me anything nonthruther that would link iron spheres to thermite?

seems like there is no current use of nano-thermite. seems like "normal" thermite works well enough
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So the evidence provided on the architects and engineers website is bogus because you disagree with their point of view / conclusions?
 
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ajvol01 said:
So the evidence provided on the architects and engineers website is bogus because you disagree with their point of view / conclusions?
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I have seen some links to videos, not to any specific website.

and again it doesn't address my question. WTF are these ironmicrospheres and how do they fit into the story?

as I have been able to find there is no reason to think the iron microspheres are linked to anything, unless you think they were using plasma torches to cut the beams.
 
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So, the theory is that we allowed 5 jets to be hijacked, 2 of which we knew were going to hit both WTC main buildings. We felt this act of terrorism wasn't enough to gin up the American public, so prior to the hijackings we secretly loaded the buildings with thermite to bring them down in a controlled demolition. Although we knew no plane was going to strike WTC 6, we decided to demolish that one too, prior to the hijackings, of course. Do you guys even realize how absurd that sounds? How many people would have had to participate and keep their mouths shut? If you were going to do it why not make 'em topple and destroy a bunch more stuff and kill more people?
 
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LouderVol said:
I have seen some links to videos, not to any specific website.

and again it doesn't address my question. WTF are these ironmicrospheres and how do they fit into the story?

as I have been able to find there is no reason to think the iron microspheres are linked to anything, unless you think they were using plasma torches to cut the beams.
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Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth | WTC Twin Towers and Building 7

As I understand it, the iron micro spheres form as a result of burning nano-thermite.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
So, the theory is that we allowed 5 jets to be hijacked, 2 of which we knew were going to hit both WTC main buildings. We felt this act of terrorism wasn't enough to gin up the American public, so prior to the hijackings we secretly loaded the buildings with thermite to bring them down in a controlled demolition. Although we knew no plane was going to strike WTC 6, we decided to demolish that one too, prior to the hijackings, of course. Do you guys even realize how absurd that sounds? How many people would have had to participate and keep their mouths shut? If you were going to do it why not make 'em topple and destroy a bunch more stuff and kill more people?
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The theory is the official government story is false.

The questions are about specific evidence and eyewitness accounts that refute the official story and are worthy of an investigation.
 
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