9-11

[Obsessed]

This is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier post. Conspiracy theorists have similar behavior to drug addicts. They're usually "repeat offenders", meaning once they've bought into one conspiracy, they will likely buy into more, and they crave for more "info". There is legit research done on this.

Would you concede that global warming is a conspiracy?

For power,control, and money?

 

[dembewbs]

I've spent hundreds of hours researching the subject. Until you've done the same please be careful posting an uninformed statement. This is a serious issue. I encourage everyone to (as a part time hobby) do your own research.

You can start here. About Us World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth

I cried and prayed with my family for quite a while that day. I certainly didn't want to believe what I know and am 100% convinced of now.

More than 2,000 of the TOP ENGINEERS AND Sky Scraper ARCHITECTS in the world are also convinced the "official story" is a coverup. Mostly made up of Members of the American Institute of Architects the 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth.org) will help educate you. This group represents more than 10,000 degreed/licensed architects, engineers, scientists, doctors and technical building consultants who have signed petitions calling for a new, independent investigation, with full subpoena power, into the destruction of the Twin Towers and the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11.

There is thousands of Data Points that Dispel the misinformation and disinformation of the "official 911 story" with scientific facts and forensic evidence.

ae911truth.org is:

■ Educating and motivating thousands of architects and engineers as well as the public at large
■ Obtaining a truly independent WTC investigation with subpoena power
■ Achieving mainstream media coverage for the cause

Your statement should be backed by facts. I hope you take time to study as I have.

For the first time in history a STEEL skycraper fell from "fire" at free-fall, unrestricted speed. On that day 3 fell.

P.S. Don't believe everything you read on Snopes.com

You don't think a steel skyscraper can fall from a fire

 

[Notorious B.E.N]

Would you concede that global warming is a conspiracy?

For power,control, and money?

Global warming is a crock of ****.

 

[VolFan32]

George Bush went in and set explosives in the towers, called OBL and said "you willing to take the credit for this and then be the most hunted man in the world" and killed 3,000+ Americans to start a war.

Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Insunseri]

Would you concede that global warming is a conspiracy?

For power,control, and money?

The politicizing of it is, but the phenomenon itself is taken very seriously in the scientific community. I have a minor in geology and didn't realize how in depth it goes until we studied it.

 

[Obsessed]

The politicizing of it is, but the phenomenon itself is taken very seriously in the scientific community. I have a minor in geology and didn't realize how in depth it goes until we studied it.

So by trading and buying carbon credits to become carbon neutral isn't a conspiracy ?

The fact that it's a billion to eventual trillion dollar industry (taxes) isn't a conspiracy ?


Ok.

 

[Insunseri]

So by trading and buying carbon credits to become carbon neutral isn't a conspiracy ?

The fact that it's a billion to eventual trillion dollar industry (taxes) isn't a conspiracy ?


Ok.

I have no doubt the morality of all that is questionable, but I'm not sure that makes it a full-blown conspiracy. Any hot topic will be politicized and capitalized on. I was speaking more to the science behind Global Warming. Just in my minimal exposure to it, I can say without a doubt that there are some very bright minds working on it, and they take it very seriously.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

I have no doubt the morality of all that is questionable, but I'm not sure that makes it a full-blown conspiracy. Any hot topic will be politicized and capitalized on. I was speaking more to the science behind Global Warming. Just in my minimal exposure to it, I can say without a doubt that there are some very bright minds working on it, and they take it very seriously.

I don't nescisarly believe in global warming. I do however believe the climate is changing on a global scale and that humans have had very little to do with it. The earths climate has been changing for thousands of years without any help from us.

Just my two cents.

 

[Notorious B.E.N]

I don't nescisarly believe in global warming. I do however believe the climate is changing on a global scale and that humans have had very little to do with it. The earths climate has been changing for thousands of years without any help from us.

Just my two cents.

I agree with this.

 

[Insunseri]

I don't nescisarly believe in global warming. I do however believe the climate is changing on a global scale and that humans have had very little to do with it. The earths climate has been changing for thousands of years without any help from us.

Just my two cents.

Yeah, sorry, I was a little unclear there. A lot of people think the global warming scientists are all just biased liberals with an agenda. I'm sure there's a few of those out there, but my professors presented the evidence completely without bias.

We know the earth's climate is changing and getting globally warmer. Their goal is to figure out how much, if any, of that is cause by man. The Earth's climate has always fluctuated, and we have records of these fluctuations preserved in various media, a big one of which is glaciers and ice. There is evidence to show that the climate cycle we are currently in is heating up much more quickly than ones in the past. While it's not absolute proof of man's influence, it's strong enough to cause all the political drama you see today. tifwiw

 

[rkw38]

I've seen it. It is flying by at 500 mph, but it's there. It's a still camera shot

I'll take your word for it. I don't believe any of the conspiracy nonsense but all I've seen is the post impact fireball.

 

[VolStudent247]

For the first time in history a STEEL skycraper fell from "fire" at free-fall, unrestricted speed. On that day 3 fell.

This was not an ordinary fire, which I am sure you are well aware of. You don't think the combination of a near fully-fueled jet liner hitting a skyscraper, and the subsequent jet fuel fire, could cause it to collapse?

The politicizing of it is, but the phenomenon itself is taken very seriously in the scientific community. I have a minor in geology and didn't realize how in depth it goes until we studied it.

Not to sound redundant, but climate change is taken very seriously by the people in the scientific community who choose to take it seriously. Many, many in the scientific community have researched the subject no longer give it a minute of their time.

 

[Insunseri]

Not to sound redundant, but climate change is taken very seriously by the people in the scientific community who choose to take it seriously. Many, many in the scientific community have researched the subject no longer give it a minute of their time.

Well, that should go without saying, right? Every scientist has a specialty and area of interest. This can change over time. Climate change isn't a belief system like so many seem to identify as. In scientific terms, it's not a case of "believing" in global warming or not "believing". Like any area of science, research is done and the results are presented to the scientific community after it passes the peer review process (which is seriously intense...I can attest to this.) You either accept the evidence, reject it, or kinda ride the fence until more work is done.

 

[BenGrimm]

I can't spend "thousands of hours" researching because I have this thing called a life.

Like I said, they had 3 years to get a website running. It took them days to get to the Gulf after Katrina. What makes you think they could pull this off flawlessly? The plans would've had to been in the works since Washington was president.

Don't get me started on the Katrina conspiracy theories. The gov has a secret weather machine and created that hurricane.

 

[VolStudent247]

Well, that should go without saying, right? Every scientist has a specialty and area of interest. This can change over time. Climate change isn't a belief system like so many seem to identify as. In scientific terms, it's not a case of "believing" in global warming or not "believing". Like any area of science, research is done and the results are presented to the scientific community after it passes the peer review process (which is seriously intense...I can attest to this.) You either accept the evidence, reject it, or kinda ride the fence until more work is done.

Yes it does. Many in the science community have rejected it. Unfortunately, I too, am familiar with the review process:mf_surrender:

 

[Coug]

I've spent hundreds of hours researching the subject. Until you've done the same please be careful posting an uninformed statement. This is a serious issue. I encourage everyone to (as a part time hobby) do your own research.

You can start here. About Us World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth

I cried and prayed with my family for quite a while that day. I certainly didn't want to believe what I know and am 100% convinced of now.

More than 2,000 of the TOP ENGINEERS AND Sky Scraper ARCHITECTS in the world are also convinced the "official story" is a coverup. Mostly made up of Members of the American Institute of Architects the 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth.org) will help educate you. This group represents more than 10,000 degreed/licensed architects, engineers, scientists, doctors and technical building consultants who have signed petitions calling for a new, independent investigation, with full subpoena power, into the destruction of the Twin Towers and the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11.

There is thousands of Data Points that Dispel the misinformation and disinformation of the "official 911 story" with scientific facts and forensic evidence.

ae911truth.org is:

■ Educating and motivating thousands of architects and engineers as well as the public at large
■ Obtaining a truly independent WTC investigation with subpoena power
■ Achieving mainstream media coverage for the cause

Your statement should be backed by facts. I hope you take time to study as I have.

For the first time in history a STEEL skycraper fell from "fire" at free-fall, unrestricted speed. On that day 3 fell.

P.S. Don't believe everything you read on Snopes.com

For someone who has done hundreds of hours of research you'd think that at some point you would have learned that NONE of the 3 buildings that fell were solely due to fire.

Let me ask you this. At what point has any of these scientists, engineers, and architects built either a 47 story steel building, OR a 110 story steel building purposely set it on fire and let it burn for HOURS just to study what REALLY happens?

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Does anybody believe in any conspiracy theories regarding the September 11th attacks? Jesse Ventura has some pretty interesting views about our government that I think people should listen to.

Jesse Ventura is really the last place I'd start if I was going to suggest a way to research 9/11. Loose Change used to be a decent documentary to start off with but even that was too subjective to hold any scientific merit- which is exactly why it failed. If someone really wants to research 9/11 they should do it the old fashion way: reading. Avoid all those conspiracy websites, those crazy talk shows or TV shows like Alex Jones or Jesse Ventura and read a book about it. David Ray Griffin has some great books out there, I believe "The New Pearl Harbor" is his most popular.

I know there are a lot of heated opinions on 9/11 so I won't get into what I consider some strange coincidences, but I will name something that ticks me off.

We have the greatest structural malfunction in the history of the the world, which kills thousands of people, right. However, the funding for investigating this disaster by the 9/11 commission actually received less funding than the investigation into the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal. So why did a petty scandal get more funding than the world's greatest structural malfunction? Seems like an important question to me.



PS did anyone mention the BBC video announcing the collapse of the Solomon brothers building before it actually happened? That one is very eerie. Anyone have an explanation for it?

Here is the video. It's in the first 30 seconds, you'll where they somehow get news that WTC 7 has collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did. I find this very peculiar.

[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aODIm8kf4sA [/youtube]

 

[Coug]

I know there are a lot of heated opinions on 9/11 so I won't get into what I consider some strange coincidences, but I will name something that ticks me off.

We have the greatest structural malfunction in the history of the the world, which kills thousands of people, right. However, the funding for investigating this disaster by the 9/11 commission actually received less funding than the investigation into the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal. So why did a petty scandal get more funding than the world's greatest structural malfunction? Seems like an important question to me.



PS did anyone mention the BBC video announcing the collapse of the Solomon brothers building before it actually happened? That one is very eerie. Anyone have an explanation for it?

Here is the video. It's in the first 30 seconds, you'll where they somehow get news that WTC 7 has collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did. I find this very peculiar.

BBC Announced Collapse of WTC7 20 Minutes Before It Happened - YouTube

Stupidity and misinformation is what that is. The WTC 7 building is clearly still standing even in the video shot behind her head. It's the tall building just behind her left ear. What they probably meant to report on was that well before the building fell the firemen on the ground had reported serious structural damage and that the building was inevitably going to fall. That information was undoubtedly announced over radio which I'm sure was overheard.

 

[volinbham]

Jesse Ventura is really the last place I'd start if I was going to suggest a way to research 9/11. Loose Change used to be a decent documentary to start off with but even that was too subjective to hold any scientific merit- which is exactly why it failed. If someone really wants to research 9/11 they should do it the old fashion way: reading. Avoid all those conspiracy websites, those crazy talk shows or TV shows like Alex Jones or Jesse Ventura and read a book about it. David Ray Griffin has some great books out there, I believe "The New Pearl Harbor" is his most popular.

I know there are a lot of heated opinions on 9/11 so I won't get into what I consider some strange coincidences, but I will name something that ticks me off.

We have the greatest structural malfunction in the history of the the world, which kills thousands of people, right. However, the funding for investigating this disaster by the 9/11 commission actually received less funding than the investigation into the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal. So why did a petty scandal get more funding than the world's greatest structural malfunction? Seems like an important question to me.



PS did anyone mention the BBC video announcing the collapse of the Solomon brothers building before it actually happened? That one is very eerie. Anyone have an explanation for it?

Here is the video. It's in the first 30 seconds, you'll where they somehow get news that WTC 7 has collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did. I find this very peculiar.

[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aODIm8kf4sA [/youtube]

I remember that you've been on this for a long time. Have your views changed?

Where do you think the conspiracy lies - government planned the whole thing? Knew about the plan and piggybacked on or something else?

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Stupidity and misinformation is what that is. The WTC 7 building is clearly still standing even in the video shot behind her head. It's the tall building just behind her left ear. What they probably meant to report on was that well before the building fell the firemen on the ground had reported serious structural damage and that the building was inevitably going to fall. That information was undoubtedly announced over radio which I'm sure was overheard.

Yes the building is there. That should go without saying.

To a have ticker on your screen reporting a 47 story building has collapsed without taking the time open their eyes. Well, it's mind boggling to say the least.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

I remember that you've been on this for a long time. Have your views changed?

Where do you think the conspiracy lies - government planned the whole thing? Knew about the plan and piggybacked on or something else?

My views are aren't concrete by any means. It's been about 9 years since I first started reading about it so my views have changed a lot compared to say, 6 or 7 years ago. If the conspiracy were to lie anywhere, it would be with someone who could gain the most financially, ie the rich scumbags who are already in the %1. The Larry Silverstein types come to mind. Some companies (Morgan Stanley comes to mind) who owned multiple floors in the WTC7 building were also have shown to have a significant trade increase prior to 9/11. United Airlines was another known case of this inside trading before 9/11. . .the rest is history with the war and we all know whose pockets were in Halliburton. Or was it vice versa?

 

[vol_in_ar]

My views are aren't concrete by any means. It's been about 9 years since I first started reading about it so my views have changed a lot compared to say, 6 or 7 years ago. If the conspiracy were to lie anywhere, it would be with someone who could gain the most financially, ie the rich scumbags who are already in the %1. The Larry Silverstein types come to mind. Some companies (Morgan Stanley comes to mind) who owned multiple floors in the WTC7 building were also have shown to have a significant trade increase prior to 9/11. United Airlines was another known case of this inside trading before 9/11. . .the rest is history with the war and we all know whose pockets were in Halliburton. Or was it vice versa?

just spit it out
what are you saying

 

[volinbham]

Morgan Stanley, United and Haliburton all seem like incredibly long plays to make $$$. For one, Wall Street took a pretty big hit. The airlines suffered immensely from 9/11 and there are other ways Halliburton could have started wars if that was their game.

As has been stated repeatedly in this thread - the sheer amount of planning and number of people that would have to be involved for this to have been planned by someone other than UBL et al nearly guarantees the whole thing wasn't a ploy.

That leaves the question of were parts of it piggybacked on but again that would require 100% faith in the actions of UBL et al occurring as they did.

Have we heard the whole story? Doubtful but it certainly seems to me that the issues of the buildings are not the clear signs of a conspiracy that they are made out to be.

 

[volinbham]

For those of you that believe this was a conspiracy I'd be interested in hearing your theories of:

1) who pulled this off (who were all the players) and
2) how they did it and
3) their motive

In particular I'm interested in #2 - lay the whole thing out.

I'm asking this seriously since I cannot conceive of the answers above.

:hi:

 

[VolFan32]

For those of you that believe this was a conspiracy I'd be interested in hearing your theories of:

1) who pulled this off (who were all the players) and
2) how they did it and
3) their motive

In particular I'm interested in #2 - lay the whole thing out.

I'm asking this seriously since I cannot conceive of the answers above.

:hi:

No logical answers for 2.