9 Americans Dead after Mexican cartel attack

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Rickyvol77 said:
Actually I have enough training to easily spot when people are addicted to drugs. I teach classes on it as well. I agree that more drug addiction help in the form of addiction services is needed. But drug use is a choice and it’s not good for anyone to use them
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Wow, then you must have a link or some source of information supporting your statement that most drug addicts are criminals? You can't possibly be a teacher of the topic and also be shooting made up facts out there from the hip, right?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Wow, then you must have a link or some source of information supporting your statement that most drug addicts are criminals? You can't possibly be a teacher of the topic and also be shooting made up facts out there from the hip, right?
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Drugs are illegal therefore anyone using them must be a criminal

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PeaceCorpsVol said:
A first world country is fully developed, a second world country is still developing and a third world country has barely begun to develop. Mexico is considered a developing country, therefore it would be classified as second world. Then again I don't know what your criteria are but this would be the official criteria most subscribe to.
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Third world is an extremely outdated term which has lost its original meaning. And even considering it’s current usage, Mexico doesn’t really fit the bill.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Wow, then you must have a link or some source of information supporting your statement that most drug addicts are criminals? You can't possibly be a teacher of the topic and also be shooting made up facts out there from the hip, right?
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again 100% of drug addicts are criminals by using drugs illegally....about 85% of third-level IV Drug users commit other crimes like robbery, burglary, assault, etc to fuel their habits before they either go to prison or die early due to endocarditis or organ failure or ODs, and then about 65% of ALL drug addicts commit crimes such as public intoxication and DUI that puts themselves and others at risk...but hey keep saying what good people they are....
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
again 100% of drug addicts are criminals by using drugs illegally....about 85% of third-level IV Drug users commit other crimes like robbery, burglary, assault, etc to fuel their habits before they either go to prison or die early due to endocarditis or organ failure or ODs, and then about 65% of ALL drug addicts commit crimes such as public intoxication and DUI that puts themselves and others at risk...but hey keep saying what good people they are....
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You know that we were talking about violence and property crimes, not the victimless crime of buying and consuming drugs.

Cool. "Level IV" drug users, whatever that means, with no link. Public intoxication, LOL

All I know is that there isn't good data out there and I can name about 25 people I know who have had drug addiction problems that nobody knew about. My school superintendent got caught committing prescription fraud to fuel his habit. That's the only way anybody would know that this very successful person was an addict. One of my best friends from HS was a good, hard-working Dad who committed no crimes and he OD'd, so that's how we found out. I know about 5 other people who OD'd, none committed any violence or property crimes. I know a dentist who OD'd on pills just two months ago. My very best friend from HS stayed in town when I went off to college. He and about 4 other buddies were working stiffs who all got hooked on H until one of the GF's found out and shut it all down.

The only way you find out about these drug addicts who are able to coexist in society is if they OD or somehow get caught with drugs. You hear all about the people that are committing theft on drugs, and yes, in some cases it's people that don't steal otherwise but often it's people who would be stealing anyway. A lot of the people who wouldn't be stealing off drugs likely wouldn't be stealing if drugs were legal. The black market and our culture are a big part of their problem.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Must be nice willing your opinion into fact. Lol.
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Not trying to force my opinions onto anyone. You have yours; I have mine. In my opinion, Mexico is a cesspool of corruption and lawlessness. Must be some basis in fact, since almost none of the Central American refugees are stopping in Mexico on their way to the U.S. Not to mention the Mexicans that hop the fence.

Maybe my fault is that I can face the facts. Seems to be a perishing skill these days.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
again 100% of drug addicts are criminals by using drugs illegally....about 85% of third-level IV Drug users commit other crimes like robbery, burglary, assault, etc to fuel their habits before they either go to prison or die early due to endocarditis or organ failure or ODs, and then about 65% of ALL drug addicts commit crimes such as public intoxication and DUI that puts themselves and others at risk...but hey keep saying what good people they are....
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All drivers are criminals.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Not trying to force my opinions onto anyone. You have yours; I have mine. In my opinion, Mexico is a cesspool of corruption and lawlessness. Must be some basis in fact, since almost none of the Central American refugees are stopping in Mexico on their way to the U.S. Not to mention the Mexicans that hop the fence.

Maybe my fault is that I can face the facts. Seems to be a perishing skill these days.
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Still not a third world country.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You know that we were talking about violence and property crimes, not the victimless crime of buying and consuming drugs.

Cool. "Level IV" drug users, whatever that means, with no link. Public intoxication, LOL

All I know is that there isn't good data out there and I can name about 25 people I know who have had drug addiction problems that nobody knew about. My school superintendent got caught committing prescription fraud to fuel his habit. That's the only way anybody would know that this very successful person was an addict. One of my best friends from HS was a good, hard-working Dad who committed no crimes and he OD'd, so that's how we found out. I know about 5 other people who OD'd, none committed any violence or property crimes. I know a dentist who OD'd on pills just two months ago. My very best friend from HS stayed in town when I went off to college. He and about 4 other buddies were working stiffs who all got hooked on H until one of the GF's found out and shut it all down.

The only way you find out about these drug addicts who are able to coexist in society is if they OD or somehow get caught with drugs. You hear all about the people that are committing theft on drugs, and yes, in some cases it's people that don't steal otherwise but often it's people who would be stealing anyway. A lot of the people who wouldn't be stealing off drugs likely wouldn't be stealing if drugs were legal. The black market and our culture are a big part of their problem.
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I agree about this one. There are millions of well functioning addicts in america..far more than there are in prison. That's just men. Let's not even bring all the xanax and pain pill addicted soccer moms into this...millions of those too
They get their dope from doctors in the suburbs instead of from dealers downtown. That is the ONLY difference between rich and poor...lots of rich folks do have coke habits that mesh well with their alcoholism though. There are judges lawyers doctors dentists you name it strung out on WAY more than just alcohol. Most people prefer to believe that's not the case in order to live in their bubbles though. I lived on the party side of life long enough to see what most dealers clientele actually looks like: middle to upper class and white. Shocker!!!


DinkinFlicka said:
They not teach about emotional appeals being a fallacy in your GED classes?
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Thats below the belt Dink. Me and you have always been cool but I have a GED and not only can I match wits with you and most anyone else...I have no problem taking it out of a mans azz if they ever disparaged a GED educated man like myself in my presence. Some of the smartest people I have ever met in my life never set foot in a college class room. Some of the richest, too...Where a man seeks knowledge says nothing about who he is. In fact...a college degree outside of STEM fields is damn near worthless these days. Far better off going to community college and learning to weld or mechanic/small engine repair. Unless you want to be a school teacher and try to live off 40k a year...which is a very admirable profession.

GW is well spoken and rational. He also tends to be nice to just about everyone. No need to take a weak shot at his intellect via education because you disagree with him bro. I know that you are like me and get riled up easily sometimes . I have had to apologize several times here myself.

Btw...here in NC anyway there arent any GED classes if you're smart. I just went to the local comm college and took the tests when I was 17. Each section was like 90 minutes and I finished in 20 or so. Got a diploma in the mail and results that said I was in the 97th or 98th percentile in my test scores. It's quite easy...but so is public school. Algebra is the last math you need to graduate HS...I took AG algebra. In 8th grade. Bet you did too. Think about that. I guarantee you i could have passed any class that is necessary to earn a HS diploma when I was 13. I broke 1000 on the SAT when I was 12 in 7th grade. Went to Duke for the T.I.P. because of my scores. Apparently they still have that program because i saw a bumper sticker with T.I.P
On it the other day. So if a relatively bright kid at 13 can pass any HS class necessary for graduation...the bar is that low...why look down on someone for getting a GED and going to work instead? My son is HS valedictorian with a 60% scholarship to Liberty next year...I will and do DRAG him at jeopardy .every.single.time. same for scrabble. Maybe after college he will be able to beat the old man. Maybe.
 
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@marcusluvsvols He was touting it earlier, so I responded in kind.

Regardless, I only consider something below the belt if the approached notion is something that cannot be changed. A man chooses how much he educates himself. I'm not going to pull punches because homeboy thinks college is silly. If it makes you so angry as to elicit violence, then maybe there's a reason.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
@marcusluvsvols He was touting it earlier, so I responded in kind.

Regardless, I only consider something below the belt if the approached notion is something that cannot be changed. A man chooses how much he educates himself. I'm not going to pull punches because homeboy thinks college is silly. If it makes you so angry as to elicit violence, then maybe there's a reason.
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I took no offense. For the record, I dropped out of high school my senior year and joined the Navy. Got a 96 on the AFQT, which meant I could go into any career field I wanted, Remember back when I said I wanted to be a cook in the Air Force? Well, the Navy recruiter at the AAFES/MEPS station in Knoxville had an "in" with the folks administering the ASVAB, so when he saw my score he stole me from the room (30 or so of us were there), and had me signed up for the Navy Nuclear Power program before the AF recruiter could figure out where I had gone.

But I had to get my GED to go nuke power, and I was young and lazy, so...general seaman it was. Ended up testing out for Subs (made it)...off to Sub School...and then off to QM (Marine Navigation) "A" school when my Sub School instructor (a QMC) saw my math scores. Later on down the road, I got my GED. Never took any classes. Went in to take the pre-test; took it; and they said "You're good to go. Come back tomorrow and take the real thing".

So there 'ya go. I'm no sophisticate, but I do have a Masters Degree from the "University of the North Atlantic", which along with my marine navigation skills, wasn't much in demand in the civilian job market. You know the rest of the story.

I took a few classes at the local Troy University satellite campus, but just never found a love for classrooms and online courses. I did, and still do, love reading good old-fashioned books, though, and that's probably where what little intellect I have was developed.

And I never said I thought college was silly. I do think the explosion of community colleges, online universities, and diploma mills has weakened the value of any degree not from a "big" or well-recognized institution. That, and I'll take someone who served 8 years in the Army as a tank commander over someone with a degree in Feminist Dance Therapy, all day long. But a degree from a reputable institution in a marketable field is definitely worth the money (and time) in the long run. Just didn't work out that way for me, and so I took the longer route to long-term success. Took almost 40 years, but I clear 6 digits annually these days. Of course, I'm still working my butt off, so maybe my way isn't the best way, but it is what it is.

No harm, no foul, and no offense taken. If I can't take a little online heat here and there, then perhaps I need to go sign up for that dance therapy degree...

Go Vols.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I took no offense. For the record, I dropped out of high school my senior year and joined the Navy. Got a 96 on the AFQT, which meant I could go into any career field I wanted, Remember back when I said I wanted to be a cook in the Air Force? Well, the Navy recruiter at the AAFES/MEPS station in Knoxville had an "in" with the folks administering the ASVAB, so when he saw my score he stole me from the room (30 or so of us were there), and had me signed up for the Navy Nuclear Power program before the AF recruiter could figure out where I had gone.

But I had to get my GED to go nuke power, and I was young and lazy, so...general seaman it was. Ended up testing out for Subs (made it)...off to Sub School...and then off to QM (Marine Navigation) "A" school when my Sub School instructor (a QMC) saw my math scores. Later on down the road, I got my GED. Never took any classes. Went in to take the pre-test; took it; and they said "You're good to go. Come back tomorrow and take the real thing".

So there 'ya go. I'm no sophisticate, but I do have a Masters Degree from the "University of the North Atlantic", which along with my marine navigation skills, wasn't much in demand in the civilian job market. You know the rest of the story.

I took a few classes at the local Troy University satellite campus, but just never found a love for classrooms and online courses. I did, and still do, love reading good old-fashioned books, though, and that's probably where what little intellect I have was developed.

And I never said I thought college was silly. I do think the explosion of community colleges, online universities, and diploma mills has weakened the value of any degree not from a "big" or well-recognized institution. That, and I'll take someone who served 8 years in the Army as a tank commander over someone with a degree in Feminist Dance Therapy, all day long. But a degree from a reputable institution in a marketable field is definitely worth the money (and time) in the long run. Just didn't work out that way for me, and so I took the longer route to long-term success. Took almost 40 years, but I clear 6 digits annually these days. Of course, I'm still working my butt off, so maybe my way isn't the best way, but it is what it is.

No harm, no foul, and no offense taken. If I can't take a little online heat here and there, then perhaps I need to go sign up for that dance therapy degree...

Go Vols.
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But did you go to bartender school?
 
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I doubt if I will ever get another Sheperd. My current one, Casey, is a female rescue, but what a blindly loyal, smart, spolied brat she turned out to be . Wish I could have gotten her as a pup. She's old now...we think at least 7, maybe 9...and her hearing and eyes have started to go. Just too much to train and keep a good Sheperd sharp for me these days, so Casey is likely the last.

But if I do get another one, and he/she is young enough to take a name change...it will be "Marcus" or "Marki".

I do love a good scrapper.

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Family of nine Mormon women and children slain in roadside massacre launch first ever civil case against a Mexican drug cartel in the U.S. as they sue the Juárez mob

A Mexican drug cartel is being sued in a United States federal court in North Dakota for the massacre of nine women and children from an offshoot Mormon community in northern Mexico.

Family members filed the federal lawsuit this week, accusing the Juárez Cartel of carrying out the November 4, 2019 roadside attack in retribution for their public criticism and protests against the cartel.

Michael Elsner, an attorney for the family, said they are suing to show that the criminal organization was responsible and to seek damages.

Mexican prosecutors have identified more than 40 suspects in the attack. Authorities have arrested and indicted nine members of the Juárez cartel, according to the lawsuit.

Family of 9 slain Mexican-Americans sues Juárez drug cartel | Daily Mail Online
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
@marcusluvsvols He was touting it earlier, so I responded in kind.

Regardless, I only consider something below the belt if the approached notion is something that cannot be changed. A man chooses how much he educates himself. I'm not going to pull punches because homeboy thinks college is silly. If it makes you so angry as to elicit violence, then maybe there's a reason.
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So if a dude only has one eye you’re not going to call him cyclops?
 
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