9 Americans Dead after Mexican cartel attack

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n_huffhines said:
Yes. It sucks that people want to do hard drugs but the war on drugs has made the problem worse. Bring it above board and there are all kinds of benefits:

you can tax it
you can regulate it and make it safer
you don't have to spend $50B+ policing it
you can spend some of those savings on solving addiction problems
drug addicts will see better outcomes when they aren't treated like criminals
black market mostly disappears
violence associated with drug use mostly disappears
foreign cartels and many domestic organizations lose largest source of $
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While you bring up some decent points, you cannot outdo the euphoria of chasing the dragon by regulating dope.

You’re obviously inexperienced (not speaking literally, just generally) with the high addicts are seeking. For clarification, I’m speaking to manufactured drugs, including meth, crack, various pills, PCP, etc., not raw, plant-based substances. Diminishing the high (i.e. regulation) will indubitably lead addicts directly to the black market, bypassing the more noble purposes you mentioned for legalization. It is a very circular issue, one that I do not believe has a definite solution.

You believe taxing it is a good thing, and I don’t disagree, but do you believe the tax revenue would be used prudently and purposefully? I do not. It would become just another tax, and it will be squandered on fruitless endeavors.
 
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hog88 said:
Yeah let's invade more countries, I can't see a downside.
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We have an obligation to enforce the Monroe doctrine.
Get our troops out of the Middle East and fix things in our hemisphere. The immigration problem is directly related to corruption.

Do you think things are better or worse in Panama?

Venezuela and Cuba should absolutely be invaded and those regimes overthrown. We don’t need to invade Mexico but should certainly be running military operations to eliminate cartels that are operating like militias.

Quit being a pussy.
 
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Roustabout said:
We have an obligation to enforce the Monroe doctrine.
Get our troops out of the Middle East and fix things in our hemisphere. The immigration problem is directly related to corruption.

Do you think things are better or worse in Panama?

Venezuela and Cuba should absolutely be invaded and those regimes over the Loren. We don’t need to invade Mexico but should certainly be running military operations to eliminate cartels that are operating like militias.

Quit being a pussy.
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When will you be raising your right hand and volunteering? It's easy to not be a pussy when it's not your life at risk.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Can I fly gunships? I'd love to shoot me some cartel ass on the border with a 50mm and a 105 Howitzer. I already know the platform. 2000 hours worth.
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You've been there done that as have I. He hasn't and wouldn't yet wants to call me a pussy.
 
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Orangeburst65 said:
It is only 15% in CO though. Relating to this story, I doubt the cartels even run marijuana anymore.
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No. It's 15% from the cultivator to the retailer and then a 15% sales tax on top of that. So if you are consuming $200 worth of marijuana/month, it costs an extra $60 in taxes. That creates a lot of opportunities for black markets to thrive. It's not like these smokers are millionaires. $200/month is a lot in the first place.
 
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hog88 said:
When will you be raising your right hand and volunteering? It's easy to not be a pussy when it's not your life at risk.
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Send a few A10s to strafe em. I don't think they'd have much defense for that. The A10 is built to withstand small arms fire.
 
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Girth Brooks said:
While you bring up some decent points, you cannot outdo the euphoria of chasing the dragon by regulating dope.

You’re obviously inexperienced (not speaking literally, just generally) with the high addicts are seeking. For clarification, I’m speaking to manufactured drugs, including meth, crack, various pills, PCP, etc., not raw, plant-based substances. Diminishing the high (i.e. regulation) will indubitably lead addicts directly to the black market, bypassing the more noble purposes you mentioned for legalization. It is a very circular issue, one that I do not believe has a definite solution.

You believe taxing it is a good thing, and I don’t disagree, but do you believe the tax revenue would be used prudently and purposefully? I do not. It would become just another tax, and it will be squandered on fruitless endeavors.
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Who said anything about diminishing the high? Pill-poppers love the high they get from legal pills and only go to the black market because they can't get their pills legally.

With the last paragraph, you're making an argument against wasteful spending, not drug legalization.
 
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happy-go_vol said:
No but it is these kinds of people who cross over. These are people you open-border, world citizens defend.
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What percentage of the illegals would you say are gang members who would do such a thing?

.0000003 % ?

97 % ?

Link, please, proving your answer.
 
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Girth Brooks said:
While you bring up some decent points, you cannot outdo the euphoria of chasing the dragon by regulating dope.

You’re obviously inexperienced (not speaking literally, just generally) with the high addicts are seeking. For clarification, I’m speaking to manufactured drugs, including meth, crack, various pills, PCP, etc., not raw, plant-based substances. Diminishing the high (i.e. regulation) will indubitably lead addicts directly to the black market, bypassing the more noble purposes you mentioned for legalization. It is a very circular issue, one that I do not believe has a definite solution.

You believe taxing it is a good thing, and I don’t disagree, but do you believe the tax revenue would be used prudently and purposefully? I do not. It would become just another tax, and it will be squandered on fruitless endeavors.
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So what are you saying?
 
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