90% of the issues with CFB can be resolved one way

[barney]

You can't keep the players signing contracts to play from unionizing to maximize leverage. Then the school negotiates compensation with the player's union.

Past that, all the dominoes fall of salary caps, etc.

yeah if they organize a successful union vote. Thats not a guaranteed thing. I'd rather them pay the players than sign $100 million dollar contracts with dumbasses like Brian Kelly

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You are choosing to ignore the fact that I said that no exemption will pass without a condition of revenue sharing with the student athletes. I suppose you are doing so because to acknowledge it, it would take away your whole skreed. They could most certainly pass an exemption that did not require employment though.

Sure, they can include revenue sharing but that's ALWAYS a negotiated situation between the business and employees.

EMPLOYEES. That means pro athletes and all that comes with it.

That WILL work. College can turn into a pro league. I'm not sure that's a good solution.

Tell me how revenue sharing works WITHOUT negotiation between the schools and the players. Thanks.

 

[barney]

the writing has been on the wall for a while its just a bunch of administrators and coaches don't want to take a pay cut.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

yeah if they organize a successful union vote. Thats not a guaranteed thing. I'd rather them pay the players than sign $100 million dollar contracts with dumbasses like Brian Kelly

USCw is currently in court to unionize AND supported by the NLRB in that case. It's MUCH to the advantage of the players collectively to unionize to max their compensation and leverage in working conditions.

 

[volbound1700]

You'll be sued because WHY are these students not allowed to transfer without penalty?

Look up the WV lawsuit which Tennessee joined. Punishing athletes by making them sit out after transferring is a losing proposition for the NCAA so they ended it.

Edit: so you need not look it up.

NCAA, states reach agreement in lawsuit to permanently allow multiple-transfer athletes to compete

The NCAA and a coalition of states suing the organization have announced a proposed settlement of a lawsuit that would allow athletes to play immediately no matter how many times they transfer.

apnews.com

The same reason you can't quit a team without losing your scholarship. Duh! By the way, they really can't transfer right now in October or September anyways.

The penalty is that they lose their scholarship. The way you are talking, they should just be able to leave any week and jump to another team. They can't just leave and play for a team every other week.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Start the season one week earlier, Start the Playoff one week after the conference championships with only one week between games. two weeks for the finals

This year the season would end on Jan 4. Plenty of time for a "student" athlete to get ready for a new school

Registration at UT is 1/9-12. Season ends 1/4.

5 days. Sounds legit.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Sure, they can include revenue sharing but that's ALWAYS a negotiated situation between the business and employees.

EMPLOYEES. That means pro athletes and all that comes with it.

That WILL work. College can turn into a pro league. I'm not sure that's a good solution.

Tell me how revenue sharing works WITHOUT negotiation between the schools and the players. Thanks.

Congress could provide a minimum number, a safe harbor essentially that must be shared in order for the exemption to apply and for the governing body to create enforceable rules on transfers, tampering, etc. Schools/Conferences and players would be free to negotiate above that amount, but as long as the safe harbor amount is met, the governing body could create enforceable rules on a whole host of things that they cannot right now, without violating anti-trust.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The same reason you can't quit a team without losing your scholarship. Duh! By the way, they really can't transfer right now in October or September anyways.

The penalty is that they lose their scholarship. The way you are talking, they should just be able to leave any week and jump to another team. They can't just leave and play for a team every other week.

Please look at the lawsuit, look at what the NCAA settled with on the matter.

You won't tell an athlete they need to sit the next semester if they transfer. The NCAA saw that as a loser in court which is why they don't do it.

Not me. The NCAA agreed.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Congress could provide a minimum number, a safe harbor essentially that must be shared in order for the exemption to apply and for the governing body to create enforceable rules on transfers, tampering, etc. Schools/Conferences and players would be free to negotiate above that amount, but as long as the safe harbor amount is met, the governing body could create enforceable rules on a whole host of things that they cannot right now, without violating anti-trust.

That's the ticket. Let Congress make the rules. What could possibly go wrong?

Could they? Yes. Will they? I dunno, maybe Congress has better things to do with their time and committees and my money than make rules about college THEN revisit them every couple of years to tweak them.

But yes, Congress could do lots of things, and does, usually very poorly.

 

[will-you-shut-up-man]

the "academic calendar"

Its almost like you think academics matter in our new era of semi-pro ball. Take that silliness to unranked teams, whose players are still thinking a degree will be the way they are making money, instead of the NIL.

I dont like it but that is what it has become.

Oh please. The majority of those guys know they need a degree. They are blocked from any real coaching job without a degree as well.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

You're completely ignoring the academic calendar. The National Championship is in the next semester. That's why the portal is arranged the way it is. There are no easy solutions to this. It's why we are where we are. But we're equipped to deal with it much better than most teams across the country.

So let players transfer after the season. Screw the academic calendar. Does anybody really believe that most of these players are going to class anyway?

 

[bigorangepoppa]

Treat Post Season as a part of the season.

No transfers until AFTER National Championship

No awards, including Heisman, until AFTER National Championship

No signing day until AFTER National Championship

My wife and I were discussing this very thing this morning. My comment was no portal until after the championship game. The Heisman has lost it's luster since it became a popularity contest rather than an award for the outstanding player that particular season.

 

[volbound1700]

Please look at the lawsuit, look at what the NCAA settled with on the matter.

You won't tell an athlete they need to sit the next semester if they transfer. The NCAA saw that as a loser in court which is why they don't do it.

Not me. The NCAA agreed.

They can go play for TSU lol, they just can't play for a B1G, SEC or Division I team.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

They can go play for TSU lol, they just can't play for a B1G, SEC or Division I team.

Look, the lawsuits and settlements are there. The NCAA has lost at every turn in attempts to control the portal and NIL.

We should acknowledge that both UT and the State of TN have been part of many of the situations including the investigation into Nico's NIL and joining the WV transfer lawsuit.

This IS what UT wants, apparently. UT likes the Wild West NIL and portal whether we fans do or not.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

That's the ticket. Let Congress make the rules. What could possibly go wrong?

Could they? Yes. Will they? I dunno, maybe Congress has better things to do with their time and committees and my money than make rules about college THEN revisit them every couple of years to tweak them.

But yes, Congress could do lots of things, and does, usually very poorly.

Like it or not, they are the only ones who can fix it, because it's their law. At least fix it in any way that saves the sports that do not make money, which is most of them.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Like it or not, they are the only ones who can fix it, because it's their law. At least fix it in any way that saves the sports that do not make money, which is most of them.

Agreed. The real losers in this are non-revenue sports and athletes who work for their scholarships knowing the educational scholarship matters more than the money for most athletes.

I think the schools should get out of the pro sports business ASAP before they ruin college athletics for far more athletes than they help.

 

[hillsborovol]

Illegal. Violates the Sherman Antitrust Act, the Ohio vs NCAA decision, and if across a state line, the Interstate Commerce Act.

True. But the question was what could be done, and a 1 year delay after transfer would solve many of these issues.

The US Constitution gives Congress the authority to regulate commerce. They would have to rescind or modify existing acts and laws you cited rather than leaving its interpretation to the Courts.

Are they going to do it? No.

 

[RandomUTfan]

the "academic calendar"

Its almost like you think academics matter in our new era of semi-pro ball. Take that silliness to unranked teams, whose players are still thinking a degree will be the way they are making money, instead of the NIL.

I dont like it but that is what it has become.

I don't understand your post. Are you suggesting I'm wrong? I'm not.

 

[Delmar]

Not without consequences. Your credits may not transfer. Sure a player could transfer at any time (even under my description, there will just be consequences to it).

You think most of these transfer guys care about credits transferring?
Show me the money (and PT). And if a school wants them, they’ll figure out a way to get them in. That is all they care about. If they really want a degree, they can go back and get one after their playing days are done.

 

[RandomUTfan]

You think most of these transfer guys care about credits transferring?
Show me the money (and PT). And if a school wants them, they’ll figure out a way to get them in. That is all they care about. If they really want a degree, they can go back and get one after their playing days are done.

The system is almost, or really I guess it is, an advertisement for the education of the institutes these players represent. So, they have to maintain eligibility and play their role in maintaining the myth of "student athlete." It's really just marketing.

 

[Delmar]

The system is almost, or really I guess it is, an advertisement for the education of the institutes these players represent. So, they have to maintain eligibility and play their role in maintaining the myth of "student athlete." It's really just marketing.

There a lots of ways to “maintain eligibility”. Some of these guys have transferred 2 or 3 times and schools somehow find a way to get them in. I do agree with you about the term “student athlete” being a myth. At the high level, this is pro sports and needs to be treated as such. I don’t like it but they didn’t ask me. That horse left the barn a while ago.

On the subject of marketing, I’m pretty sure that the university is getting a lot more national publicity from their football playoff team and their #1 basketball team than any publicity generated by the Math or English Departments.

 

[RandomUTfan]

There a lots of ways to “maintain eligibility”. Some of these guys have transferred 2 or 3 times and schools somehow find a way to get them in. I do agree with you about the term “student athlete” being a myth. At the high level, this is pro sports and needs to be treated as such. I don’t like it but they didn’t ask me. That horse left the barn a while ago.

On the subject of marketing, I’m pretty sure that the university is getting a lot more national publicity from their football playoff team and their #1 basketball team than any publicity generated by the Math or English Departments.

You didn't even understand the point you're appearing to disagree with here. Exactly what I said was that sports is marketing for the University.

 

[Delmar]

You didn't even understand the point you're appearing to disagree with here. Exactly what I said was that sports is marketing for the University.

You are correct. I completely misread that. My bad. I was more interested in reinforcing the idea that these guys aren’t worried about credits transferring.

 

[volbound1700]

You think most of these transfer guys care about credits transferring?
Show me the money (and PT). And if a school wants them, they’ll figure out a way to get them in. That is all they care about. If they really want a degree, they can go back and get one after their playing days are done.

That's my point. They keep saying law would limit schools. Having transfer portal period not open until Spring would not limit transfers.

 

[RandomUTfan]

You are correct. I completely misread that. My bad. I was more interested in reinforcing the idea that these guys aren’t worried about credits transferring.

It's all good, my brother. It's not always easy to transfer our profound thoughts into words on the internet. Ha ha. Yeah, at some point they will probably just stop making these guys go to class. I mean, they are already doing most things online. That's a terrible way to learn anything. I've tried it.