_Vols in NC...get out and vote!!! Need your help. MAY 8

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Bible Nostalgia: Remember when the Bible closed with the following words:

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
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Maybe some of the Bible thumpers should take that admonishment to heart and stop trying to legislate their faith (laws, being inherently coercive, would not be letting the unjust be unjust, or the filthy be filthy...would they?).
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, but he wasn't Pol Pot, and he lived out a life of serving the Lord.
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Saul of Tarsus was only quantitatively different from Pol Pot, not qualitatively. He certainly participated in the persecutions and killings of persons simply because their ideological beliefs clashed with his. Had Saul had access to the mechanisms that Pol Pot had access to, it is not hard to imagine that he would have participated in the killings of tens of thousands prior to his "conversion".
 
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therealUT said:
Bible Nostalgia: Remember when the Bible closed with the following words:



Maybe some of the Bible thumpers should take that admonishment to heart and stop trying to legislate their faith (laws, being inherently coercive, would not be letting the unjust be unjust, or the filthy be filthy...would they?).
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I, as a Christian, do not try to dictate how another should live as I feel that it is their choice but I also do not see why a non believer gets so upset with a Christian for exercising their right to vote on legislation as they see fit.....the Christian has just as much right to vote in representatives that will bring legislation that they agree with just as the non believer has the right to elect the ones that they believe will acheive their will.....that one verse/admonishment does not trump the great commision
 
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How did I miss this earlier this month?

This is possibly THE worst thread ever created on VN. I loved how the OP thought he was so righteous in his post, and that everyone would agree with him.

It's completely insane that some people don't want the LGBT community to not have access to the same rights heterosexual couples get. I try to be respectful of everyone's opinion, but it's hard to find any other explanation besides bigotry. Seems like these people are so homophobic, that they will find anything to protest gays' own lives.

I'm sorry, OP, but as much of an awesome Christian that you think you are, you are an intolerant, ignorant, and close-minded bigot.

If church is separate from state, why do we need a government-issued document to validate a religious practice?
 
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T-TownVol said:
I, as a Christian, do not try to dictate how another should live as I feel that it is their choice but I also do not see why a non believer gets so upset with a Christian for execising their right to vote on legislation as they see fit.....the Christian has just as much right to vote in representatives that will bring legislation that they agree with just as the non believer has the right to elect the ones that they believe will acheive their will.....that one verse/admonishment does not trump the great commision
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Christians do not have a right to vote to restrict the liberties of others where no harm is caused from allowing such liberty. No political philosopher would cede such a right to anyone; not Hobbes, Locke, Mandeville, Hume, Smith, etc. Legislation is not meant simply to make individuals happy that their preferences are being met and that those who would rather act contrary to one's preference are prohibited from so doing. Legislation should simply be used in order to facilitate the most amount of liberty for individuals (this is why the government should never have gotten involved in marriages in the first place).

As for the great commission, it has nothing to do with government coercion. Go forth and make disciples of all men, if they refuse, wipe the dust from your feet and move on. Maybe the bigots in the US who want to deny equality to homosexuals should simply wipe the American dust from their feet and leave. That would more properly fit the spirit of the great commission.
 
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Hey Trut.

It is good to see you back on.

i have been missing your insightful postings.

One request. Take it easy on the old man for a day or two.

Welcome back.
 
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MG1968 said:
I'm agnostic, so I'm skeptical. What you seem to be saying is that someone like Pol Pot could have a deathbed conversion and be accepted into Heaven.

If that's the case, if Heaven is also filled with people like that, count me out. I think I'll stand on principal, even in whatever afterlife awaits me.
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I'm aware of what you think, more or less, from past conversations. I was just saying I don't think it is as simple as your example.
As far as having a death bed conversation, that's not that simple.
Jesus said not everyone who says Lord remember what I did for you will be seen in Heaven. Your good works do not get you in and neither does saying your a Christian. In my opinion it's a heart and belief thing. Do you truly believe or just saying so words to escape punishment.

I believe that no sin out weighs the glory of God. If someone is truly repentant of past deeds,seeks Christ, then he or she is a new person in the eyes of God. They still owe a dept to the goverment but are paid in full with God.
Back to your example. Would a death bed conversation save a monster? Only God knows for sure.
 
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therealUT said:
Christians do not have a right to vote to restrict the liberties of others where no harm is caused from allowing such liberty. No political philosopher would cede such a right to anyone; not Hobbes, Locke, Mandeville, Hume, Smith, etc. Legislation is not meant simply to make individuals happy that their preferences are being met and that those who would rather act contrary to one's preference are prohibited from so doing. Legislation should simply be used in order to facilitate the most amount of liberty for individuals (this is why the government should never have gotten involved in marriages in the first place).

As for the great commission, it has nothing to do with government coercion. Go forth and make disciples of all men, if they refuse, wipe the dust from your feet and move on. Maybe the bigots in the US who want to deny equality to homosexuals should simply wipe the American dust from their feet and leave. That would more properly fit the spirit of the great commission.
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Dude, you're wasting your mind on this board IMO. You know these guys will never be opened-minded enough to take you seriously.
 
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therealUT said:
Christians do not have a right to vote to restrict the liberties of others where no harm is caused from allowing such liberty. No political philosopher would cede such a right to anyone; not Hobbes, Locke, Mandeville, Hume, Smith, etc. Legislation is not meant simply to make individuals happy that their preferences are being met and that those who would rather act contrary to one's preference are prohibited from so doing. Legislation should simply be used in order to facilitate the most amount of liberty for individuals (this is why the government should never have gotten involved in marriages in the first place).

As for the great commission, it has nothing to do with government coercion. Go forth and make disciples of all men, if they refuse, wipe the dust from your feet and move on. Maybe the bigots in the US who want to deny equality to homosexuals should simply wipe the American dust from their feet and leave. That would more properly fit the spirit of the great commission.
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The right to vote gives any one the right to elect representatives that will TRY to invoke their will, it is what this country was founded on.......if you disagree, get out and get your official elected.....you seem to forget this very simple thing in favor of hatred toward Christians.......weak sauce by the way on the "leave" comment, I believe you have told people that when you revert to "like it or leave" you have no more to contribute to the debate

and I agree that government should have never gotten involved in marraige, but it did so here we stand debating it
 
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T-TownVol said:
The right to vote gives any one the right to elect representatives that will TRY to invoke their will, it is what this country was founded on.......if you disagree, get out and get your official elected.....you seem to forget this very simple thing in favor of hatred toward Christians.......weak sauce by the way on the "leave" comment, I believe you have told people that when you revert to "like it or leave" you have no more to contribute to the debate
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No, he's saying that, ideally, this shouldn't even be an issue. In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to vote on this, and the LGBT community would have equal rights as any other American. If you DON'T want everyone to have equal rights (i.e., marriage), you may want to find another country that does not offer equal rights.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Dude, you're wasting your mind on this board IMO. You know these guys will never be opened-minded enough to take you seriously.
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taken seriously does not mean that he is always agreed with....if I did not take him seriously, I would not even comment
 
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T-TownVol said:
The right to vote gives any one the right to elect representatives that will TRY to invoke their will, it is what this country was founded on.......if you disagree, get out and get your official elected.....you seem to forget this very simple thing in favor of hatred toward Christians.......weak sauce by the way on the "leave" comment, I believe you have told people that when you revert to "like it or leave" you have no more to contribute to the debate

and I agree that government should have never gotten involved in marraige, but it did so here we stand debating it
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If they are following the letter of the great commission then they should leave rather than coerce. That much is simple and clear.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
No, he's saying that, ideally, this shouldn't even be an issue. In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to vote on this, and the LGBT community would have equal rights as any other American. If you DON'T want everyone to have equal rights (i.e., marriage), you may want to find another country that does not offer equal rights.
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you quoted me before I added my last statement.....how do we get our rights?....I believe we vote on them there big guy
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Dude, you're wasting your mind on this board IMO. You know these guys will never be opened-minded enough to take you seriously.
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I don't know you and don't want to be disrespectful but we've exchanged ideas on this board for a while. We have some defuses who can't here what others believe and remain respectful but for the most part it's a good place. You're at risk of becoming a dufus. Don't be a dufus.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
I'm aware of what you think, more or less, from past conversations. I was just saying I don't think it is as simple as your example.
As far as having a death bed conversation, that's not that simple.
Jesus said not everyone who says Lord remember what I did for you will be seen in Heaven. Your good works do not get you in and neither does saying your a Christian. In my opinion it's a heart and belief thing. Do you truly believe or just saying so words to escape punishment.

I believe that no sin out weighs the glory of God. If someone is truly repentant of past deeds,seeks Christ, then he or she is a new person in the eyes of God. They still owe a
dept to the goverment but are paid in full with God.

Back to your example. Would a death bed conversation save a monster? Only God knows for sure.
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Good post OS .
i think a death bed conversion is possible but may be very rare. i do not think one can be covered at the time.of their choosing. I believe they must first be under conviction .

IMO a good example of a death bed conversion of an evil man was during the crucifixion .

Christ told one.of the criminals being crucified " today you will be with me in paradise". it is my belief that Christ saved this man while he was hanging on the cross.
 
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therealUT said:
If they are following the letter of the great commission then they should leave rather than coerce. That much is simple and clear.
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the Christians that coerse will be held responsible......if one does not believe and shows no signs of ever even being open to it, the Bible tells us to move on, I agree
 
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orangeslice13 said:
I don't know you and don't want to be disrespectful but we've exchanged ideas on this board for a while. We have some defuses who can't here what others believe and remain respectful but for the most part it's a good place. You're at risk of becoming a dufus. Don't be a dufus.
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he was aiming that at me and apologized....we good :hi:
 
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orangeslice13 said:
I don't know you and don't want to be disrespectful but we've exchanged ideas on this board for a while. We have some defuses who can't here what others believe and remain respectful but for the most part it's a good place. You're at risk of becoming a dufus. Don't be a dufus.
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Haha thanks for the advice, but I'm definitely not worried if anyone thinks I'm a doofus in this particular thread :hi:
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Probably the ones where I'm a music nerd :)

You know, talking about orchestral stuff and music theory.



Not gonna lie, I'm not sure if that was a jab at me, but it's cool :)
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I'm a problems in the Football forum on a regular basis. I'm way past dufus over there.
 
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