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marcusluvsvols said:
We think because network TV can't produce a sitcom without a homo these days that it is acceptable.
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1. I don't think a gay person in a TV show is changing anyone's mind on their own sexuality or trying to tell us it is acceptable. It's called tolerance. If i'm in a crowded room and half of them are gay, I don't really care and no TV station or program is at fault for my way of thinking. It's not like I'm going to walk out of that room and become magically gay. Believe it or not, homosexuality isn't some contagious disease.

2. You seem to be a bit mad, bro.
 
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I think you are actually a Jew. Christ came a little later and pretty much wiped the slate clean. He preached forgiveness and tolerance, except for that time when he freaked out at the Temple. Where is the passage where he states that homosexuality will send one to hell?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Same advice as the other cat. Don't agree with this? Then do something about it. Don't complain about it and expect something to change. I'm sure there are gay rights groups that would love to have your time and money.
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If I get a chance to vote against it in TN you bet your arse I will.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Nice attitude. Get angry and insult me personally even though you know knothing about me other than my stance on this issue. If you are so motivated to change this policy then do something about it. Picket local businesses that don't agree with your homosexual agenda.
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I'm not angry, far from it. After several dozen posts, anyone can see that you're full of crap on this subject.

I'm not gay. None of my close friends are gay. This doesn't have to do with any sort of gay agenda. It has to do with freedom for all citizens. I don't care who is or isn't gay, or Catholic, or Norse, or Hispanic, or Christian, or purple, or young/old, or Mooselimbs, or anything else. Why can't you see that what YOU are attempting is to force YOUR religious views on others?
 
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Vols520 said:
Why are born again Christians always the craziest?
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Honestly, I believe it's because they make the decision on their own to follow Christ, etc. Those that are born into Christian families and are brought up and basically "forced" into it, with or against their will, just kinda accept it all as part of life, and are often pretty blah about it.
 
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Christianity is outdated. Isn't it about time we invented a newer, hipper religion?

Or is that what moslemism is all about?
 
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First of all, I don't agree with everything marcus is saying. But, for the sake of argument, I'll accept that the Christian God has set homosexuality aside as a sinful act. If you are a Christian you should not do it.

However, just because something is sinful should it be illegal? Gay marriage that is. Should the State legislate sinful and non-sinful acts? I say no. The State should not concern itself with marriage at all. Ever.

Believe whatever you want. But legislation should not be passed to push those values on me. To me, this is no different than trying to install Sharia Law.
 
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This whole thing can be settled really easily.

Get the government out of the marriage business. There is absolutely no reason or need for it. If courts would simply honor contracts like they should, then there is no reason at all for the government to be involved. At all.

If you have ever paid attention the me at all, then you know that I think virtually everything should be legal. I am very pro-freedom. However, some people need to realize that everyone has a stake in this issue. As long as our system works the way it works, if the government recognizes a marriage as legitimate, then other people are legally obligated to treat it as such even if they view it as illegitimate. This is true. You may not like the fact that some people don't view it as legitimate. I don't care. Those people who want to marry are no more, nor are they less, important than the ones who don't want to recognize their marriage.

This is an issue where it is not possible to give everyone their freedom as long as the government is involved. If PersonX can force a law making it illegal for DudeA to marry DudeB, then the Dudes have less freedom. If DudeA and DudeB can marry and use a law forcing PersonX to treat them as married, then PersonX has less freedom. The rights of either group is not more important than the other group's rights. However, if we have no law, either forbidding it or forcing people to recognize it, then PersonX has the freedom to believe and behave as he sees fit and the Dudes have the freedom to believe and behave as they see fit. Win, win.
 
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As with the War on Drugs, I don't get why conservatives for the most part fight so hard against this. And like I said in the drug thread, I know it's the "social" conservative crap, but if you're for smaller government, be for smaller government.
 
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RespectTradition said:
This whole thing can be settled really easily.

Get the government out of the marriage business. There is absolutely no reason or need for it. If courts would simply honor contracts like they should, then there is no reason at all for the government to be involved. At all.
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This is what the argument should be about.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
As with the War on Drugs, I don't get why conservatives for the most part fight so hard against this. And like I said in the drug thread, I know it's the "social" conservative crap, but if you're for smaller government, be for smaller government.
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That is one thing that has always driven me crazy about our "political spectrum"... One side is big government social policies, and the other side is big government economic policies... Neither of the parties are for true "freedom" or small government.
 
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VolfanatETSU said:
That is one thing that has always driven me crazy about our "political spectrum"... One side is big government social policies, and the other side is big government economic policies... Neither of the parties are for true "freedom" or small government.
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Same here, which is a big reason I've more or less adopted the "libertarian" label and shunned the "conservative" label; because "conservative" is almost a meaningless term now and you have to qualify it, with "social" or "fiscal" or whatever. That and I find out so many that claim to be conservative and whine about the government "controlling our lives" want to control our lives in the areas THEY want to.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Same here, which is a big reason I've more or less adopted the "libertarian" label and shunned the "conservative" label; because "conservative" is almost a meaningless term now and you have to qualify it, with "social" or "fiscal" or whatever. That and I find out so many that claim to be conservative and whine about the government "controlling our lives" want to control our lives in the areas THEY want to.
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Exactly!
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Same here, which is a big reason I've more or less adopted the "libertarian" label and shunned the "conservative" label; because "conservative" is almost a meaningless term now and you have to qualify it, with "social" or "fiscal" or whatever. That and I find out so many that claim to be conservative and whine about the government "controlling our lives" want to control our lives in the areas THEY want to.
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Yeah, I've adopted the "libertarian" label as well.

And I definitely agree with the bolded part.
 
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I consider homsexuality a sin in the eyes of God, but it is no more of a sin that any other sin. All sins are forgivable with the exception of unbelief .

Per the Bible one must be "saved" to enter heaven.

I haven't read anywhere in the Bible that a homosexual is going to a different hell than anyone else. Sin is Sin.
 
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Obviously, the overriding issue here is the separation of church and state, and the denial of acceptance of the government entering our bedrooms and deciding what is or isn't appropriate for us to do, but I would like the Bible scholars in this forum to post any scriptural references from the New Testament that speak to the sinfulness of homosexuality.
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Obviously, the overriding issue here is the separation of church and state, and the denial of acceptance of the government entering our bedrooms and deciding what is or isn't appropriate for us to do, but I would like the Bible scholars in this forum to post any scriptural references from the New Testament that speak to the sinfulness of homosexuality.
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Plenty, I Corinthians 6:9&10

I Timothy 1:8 through 11

Romans 1:24 through 28

Easily argued though the greek reads/translates differently
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Obviously, the overriding issue here is the separation of church and state, and the denial of acceptance of the government entering our bedrooms and deciding what is or isn't appropriate for us to do, but I would like the Bible scholars in this forum to post any scriptural references from the New Testament that speak to the sinfulness of homosexuality.
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I don't feel this is a church and state issue. It's a liberty issue. The athiest who I live next to thinks marriage is one man and one woman also. Being a religious nut job myself people expect me to be anti gay marriage but I'm not. They should be free to chose their lifestyle and get the same legal protection I have.
I'm free to be a Christian and while I believe it's the only way to God, others should be free to think I'm nutz.
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Obviously, the overriding issue here is the separation of church and state, and the denial of acceptance of the government entering our bedrooms and deciding what is or isn't appropriate for us to do, but I would like the Bible scholars in this forum to post any scriptural references from the New Testament that speak to
the sinfulness of homosexuality.
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I am not a Bible scholar but i do read on a regular basis.

1 Tim. 1: 8-10

1 Cor. 6: 9-11

These two reading point to both passive and active kinds of homosexual behavior are sinful.

1 Cor. 6: 11 Paul says that " Some of you were like this". Some members of the church at Corinthians were former homosexuals who were converted.
Paul adds " But you were washed, you were sanctified , you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
 
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How many passages are there in the New Testament that speak of the sinfulness of hoarding wealth? Were any of these passages spoken by Jesus, according to the Scriptures?
 
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