_Vols in NC...get out and vote!!! Need your help. MAY 8

#876
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marcusluvsvols said:
Has this amendment been defeated in a state where it was brought to a popular vote? I don't know for sure, thus the phrase" to my knowledge" link if you know otherwise. I know in CA they tried (unsuccessfully) to overturn it...not sure about the rest. I don't live in those states so I really don't have any say in their affairs. Not a single poster, not 1 HAS SAID THEY VOTED AGAINST THIS IN THEIR HOME STATE. I honestly don't feel like you have a right to voice your opinion if you're too dang lazy to get off your butt and vote for your beliefs.
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I voted against Prop 2 here in FL; unfortunately it did pass. Afterwards, several people who voted for admitted they didn't understand what they were voting for. The proponents did a good job of framing it as "protecting marriage", and not what it was actually taking away from folks (including many unmarried straight couples).
 
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volfanjustin said:
And you are another mindless liberal
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Interesting that you never respond to posters who object with evidence to much of the crap you spew on here. E.g., you never responded to my rebuttal to your claim that this is a "states' rights" issue. My initial reaction is that it is you who is too "mindless" to actually coherently present and defend a rational argument.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
To my knowledge its 30 to 0. Unanimous. Why am I a minority again?
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Because it's easier for them to accept if they can just brush us aside as a small number of dumb, back wood, rednecks, bigots, racist and whatever false adjective they can come up with.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Are you kidding?
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Has this amendment been defeated in a state where it was brought to a popular vote? I don't know for sure, thus the phrase" to my knowledge" link if you know otherwise. I know in CA they tried (unsuccessfully) to overturn it...not sure about the rest. I don't live in those states so I really don't have any say in their affairs. Not a single poster, not 1 HAS SAID THEY VOTED AGAINST THIS IN THEIR HOME STATE. I honestly don't feel like you have a right to voice your opinion if you're too dang lazy to get off your butt and vote for your beliefs.
 
#885
#885
marcusluvsvols said:
Has this amendment been defeated in a state where it was brought to a popular vote?
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We may appeal to every page of history we have hitherto turned over, for proofs irrefragable, that the people, when they have been unchecked, have been as unjust, tyrannical, brutal, barbarous and cruel as any king or senate possessed of uncontrollable power ... All projects of government, formed upon a supposition of continual vigilance, sagacity, and virtue, firmness of the people, when possessed of the exercise of supreme power, are cheats and delusions ... The fundamental article of my political creed is that despotism, or unlimited sovereignty, or absolute power, is the same in a majority of a popular assembly, an aristocratical council, an oligarchical junto, and a single emperor. Equally arbitrary, cruel, bloody, and in every respect diabolical. -- John Adams
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The will of the people, moreover, practically means the will of the most numerous or the most active part of the people; the majority, or those who succeed in making themselves accepted as the majority; the people, consequently, may desire to oppress a part of their number; and precautions are as much needed against this as against any other abuse of power. The limitation, therefore, of the power of government over individuals loses none of its importance when the holders of power are regularly accountable to the community, that is, to the strongest party therein. This view of things, recommending itself equally to the intelligence of thinkers and to the inclination of those important classes in European society to whose real or supposed interests democracy is adverse, has had no difficulty in establishing itself; and in political speculations "the tyranny of the majority" is now generally included among the evils against which society requires to be on its guard. -- John Stuart Mill
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Again, do you think that majority opinion makes something right?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Has this amendment been defeated in a state where it was brought to a popular vote? I don't know for sure, thus the phrase" to my knowledge" link if you know otherwise. I know in CA they tried (unsuccessfully) to overturn it...not sure about the rest. I don't live in those states so I really don't have any say in their affairs. Not a single poster, not 1 HAS SAID THEY VOTED AGAINST THIS IN THEIR HOME STATE. I honestly don't feel like you have a right to voice your opinion if you're too dang lazy to get off your butt and vote for your beliefs.
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Double post
 
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gcbvol said:
I voted against Prop 2 here in FL; unfortunately it did pass. Afterwards, several people who voted for admitted they didn't understand what they were voting for. The proponents did a good job of framing it as "protecting marriage", and not what it was actually taking away from folks (including many unmarried straight couples).
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And I watched as it was framed here in NC by progressNC as an amendment that would take away domestic violence protection, starve children to death, destroy unmarried couples blah blah blah....and 2million people recognized that was straight fiction and voted it down. Have you read the amendment? I bet the proponents of the gay agenda outspent their opposition 10 to1 here. Commercials during primetime, local news, everywhere. Thank God there are still enough people in this state who know right from wrong.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
And I watched as it was framed here in NC by progressNC as an amendment that would take away domestic violence protection, starve children to death, destroy unmarried couples blah blah blah....and 2million people recognized that was straight fiction and voted it down.
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that actually came from college law professors in NC. I doubt 2mil people have a clue what they voted for except for the "Adam and Steve" part. They voted like their pastor told them to
 
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#890
justin, you still choose to ignore the equal protection clause. You have read the Constitution, haven't you?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
And I watched as it was framed here in NC by progressNC as an amendment that would take away domestic violence protection, starve children to death, destroy unmarried couples blah blah blah....and 2million people recognized that was straight fiction and voted it down. Have you read the amendment? I bet the proponents of the gay agenda outspent their opposition 10 to1 here. Commercials during primetime, local news, everywhere. Thank God there are still enough people in this state who know right from wrong.
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Or enough people still living in the Palaeolithic Age. Honestly, many people simply do not understand what they're voting for, and that's on them.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
And I watched as it was framed here in NC by progressNC as an amendment that would take away domestic violence protection, starve children to death, destroy unmarried couples blah blah blah....and 2million people recognized that was straight fiction and voted it down. Have you read the amendment? I bet the proponents of the gay agenda outspent their opposition 10 to1 here. Commercials during primetime, local news, everywhere. Thank God there are still enough people in this state who know right from wrong.
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"Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State. This section does not prohibit a private party from entering into contracts with another private party; nor does this section prohibit courts from adjudicating the rights of private parties pursuant to such contracts."
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North Carolina Statute 50B-1, Domestic Violence, states:
(b) For purposes of this section, the term "personal relationship" means a relationship wherein the parties involved:
(1) Are current or former spouses;
(2) Are persons of opposite sex who live together or have lived together;
(3) Are related as parents and children, including others acting in loco parentis to a minor child, or as grandparents and grandchildren. For purposes of this subdivision, an aggrieved party may not obtain an order of protection against a child or grandchild under the age of 16;
(4) Have a child in common;
(5) Are current or former household members;
(6) Are persons of the opposite sex who are in a dating relationship or have been in a dating relationship. For purposes of this subdivision, a dating relationship is one wherein the parties are romantically involved over time and on a continuous basis during the course of the relationship. A casual acquaintance or ordinary fraternization between persons in a business or social context is not a dating relationship.
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As for whether or not this will take away domestic abuse protection for homosexuals, it will all ride on bullet five: how does the state of North Carolina define household members?
 
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therealUT said:
As for whether or not this will take away domestic abuse protection for homosexuals, it will all ride on bullet five: how does the state of North Carolina define household members?
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Why do homosexuals need domestic violence protection? Wouldn't it just be a fight? Assult? Domestic violence laws were originally designed to protect women from the a$$holes who like to beat them, not two boys or girls fighting.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
And I watched as it was framed here in NC by progressNC as an amendment that would take away domestic violence protection, starve children to death, destroy unmarried couples blah blah blah....and 2million people recognized that was straight fiction and voted it down. Have you read the amendment? I bet the proponents of the gay agenda outspent their opposition 10 to1 here. Commercials during primetime, local news, everywhere. Thank God there are still enough people in this state who know right from wrong.
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Praise Jesus a same sex couple doesn't have the same benefits! I bet your pastor had a gay experience that led him to religion.
 
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hog88 said:
Why do homosexuals need domestic violence protection? Wouldn't it just be a fight? Assult? Domestic violence laws were originally designed to protect women from the a$$holes who like to beat them, not two boys or girls fighting.
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This is just stupid. You really should just find a corner to sit in and think for a while.
 
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therealUT said:
At least Pastor Martin Niemoller realized, unfortunately in hindsight, what happens when you start restricting the rights and privileges of others simply because you disagree with their beliefs and/or lifestyle choices.
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First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me.

That part you posted is what ALWAYS comes to mind for me.:good!:
 
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#899
marcusluvsvols said:
Has this amendment been defeated in a state where it was brought to a popular vote? I don't know for sure, thus the phrase" to my knowledge" link if you know otherwise. I know in CA they tried (unsuccessfully) to overturn it...not sure about the rest. I don't live in those states so I really don't have any say in their affairs. Not a single poster, not 1 HAS SAID THEY VOTED AGAINST THIS IN THEIR HOME STATE. I honestly don't feel like you have a right to voice your opinion if you're too dang lazy to get off your butt and vote for your beliefs.
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Wait? Wut?
 
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