_Vols in NC...get out and vote!!! Need your help. MAY 8

[marcusluvsvols]

SC is still dry on sun I think. Many counties sell only beer on any day in a bar. Some have mini bottles where the bartender has to open and pour in front of you. No full size bottles at all.

 

[hog88]

I remember when I was young there was no businesses open on Sunday.
The " Blue Law"(iirc) was passed and businesses were allowed to open between 1-6 pm on Sunday.
Things sure have changed.

Gramps, I remember those days. In VA the store had to sell a certain amount of groceries to be open on a Sunday, and no booze at all.

 

[hog88]

It's just a fact of life? You're really going to go with that? Sorry 6 million Jews killed in WWII, but you were a necessary step because it's a fact of life. You had to die so people would stand up for you. Sorry women that are beaten senseless by your husbands, but it's just a fact of life it had to happen so people would fight for your rights instead of treating you like property. Sorry black community but you had to go through the whole slavery and lynching stuff just to reach a point where people would say enough is enough.

I'm sorry, but that is the most pathetice excuse for human behavior I have ever heard.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I forget who said that, but I always remember those words. We, as humans, seem to forget our past quite often. We're at a place where people should not have to fight so hard for their individual rights. Don't get me wrong, it will happen, but the point is it shouldn't have to happen. We should be better than that, but sadly, we are not.

You continuing to argue that people need to stand up and fight if this is what they honestly believe is a moot point. MLK didn't spring up overnight. The momentum is building and there will be a fight. Check the political landscape and you'll see the signs. I hate politics, but when things start to develop there, then you know the boiling point is getting close.

Your point?

Until the U.S. stood up the holocaust would have lasted a lot longer. Until the women stood up against their mistreatment they wouldn't have the right to vote or domestic violence protection.

Should any of that have had to happen, no of course not! The differnce between the people that made those changes and you are that they stood in the face of adversity and changed it. They didn't act like little bit&hes and complain, they acted.

 

[Slydell]

Where is the assumption coming from that no one here is doing anything against these atrocities? If I missed that part, I'm sorry.

 

[Weezer]

Your point?

Until the U.S. stood up the holocaust would have lasted a lot longer. Until the women stood up against their mistreatment they wouldn't have the right to vote or domestic violence protection.

Should any of that have had to happen, no of course not! The differnce between the people that made those changes and you are that they stood in the face of adversity and changed it. They didn't act like little bit&hes and complain, they acted.

Every movement has a beginning. Do you think the fight for civil rights began with MLK? He became the figure-head that spearheaded the movement, but it did not begin with him. The same is true here. Organization is happenning. No one has stepped up to be the figure-head yet, but that doesn't mean the fight hasn't already started. What you call acting like *****es is people trying to use logic to sway your opinion. In order for a movement to succeed, you have to get enough of the narrow-minded to see what they are doing is wrong. You have to get people to agree with you. That is where you find the true importance of someone like MLK. You need a charismatic leader that people will follow. The gay movement has yet to put forth that leader to unite the front, but that does not mean people are standing by doing nothing. There are people who are fighting for change, unfortunately too many people are lined up against them at the moment. That doesn't mean we aren't fighting, that just means we're not winning.....yet.

And truthfully, you're the one being a *****. You act as if change of this nature can be accomplished overnight. When you're fighting zealots that refuse to acknowledge that people different than them deserve the same rights, the fight is not easily won. Bigots don't go down without a fight. The sad thing is, most of these people don't realize they are bigots. They hide behind their religious or "unnatural" arguements and think that somehow makes it okay to treat someone as a second class citizen.

I'm curious to know, what have you had to fight for in life? You talk a great amount about people fighting for their freedoms, but have you fought for yours? People in this country take for granted the freedoms they have been given. Most of them have never had to lift a finger to attain those rights. Yet for some reason, there are people like you who feel this part of our population has to fight for their rights. Why? Why should they have to fight for something that they should already have? If you cannot see the flaws in your arguements then I seriously question your intelligence.

 

[Weezer]

Where is the assumption coming from that no one here is doing anything against these atrocities? If I missed that part, I'm sorry.

Apparently he believes without a charismatic leader making headlines, no battle is being waged. People are fighting for change, unfortunately not enough of the population has woke up to the idea that individual freedoms are being stripped away. Anyone who put half a thought into this should be outraged.

 

[YorkVol]

I just did a Google and some states still have some form of the blue law. Most are restricting the sale of liquor and cars.

here is a wiki link. on my mobile , hope this works.

Blue law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Come on up to Pennsylvania, no alcohol, car sales or hunting on Sunday. We're lucky the grocery stores are open.

 

[Slydell]

Apparently he believes without a charismatic leader making headlines, no battle is being waged. People are fighting for change, unfortunately not enough of the population has woke up to the idea that individual freedoms are being stripped away. Anyone who put half a thought into this should be outraged.

The big money to fight the same sex marriage is coming from the Mormons and the Catholics. Easy info to find when one does a little research. Everyone else acting as pawns. Obama just made some headlines on it so we'll see what happens there. Read that he got a big boost on campaign donations and support from his stance. I'd expect to see some wingnuts support it in the sunshine now and continue to fight it in the shadows.

 

[005]

Holy thread.

 

[possumslayer]

The big money to fight the same sex marriage is coming from the Mormons and the Catholics. Easy info to find when one does a little research. Everyone else acting as pawns. Obama just made some headlines on it so we'll see what happens there. Read that he got a big boost on campaign donations and support from his stance. I'd expect to see some wingnuts support it in the sunshine now and continue to fight it in the shadows.

sly ,I heard the other day that inter racial marriages weren't allowed till 71,,blew my mind!
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[therealUT]

Your point?

Until the U.S. stood up the holocaust would have lasted a lot longer. Until the women stood up against their mistreatment they wouldn't have the right to vote or domestic violence protection.

Should any of that have had to happen, no of course not! The differnce between the people that made those changes and you are that they stood in the face of adversity and changed it. They didn't act like little bit&hes and complain, they acted.

You do know that the U.S. did not 'stand up' to stop the Holocaust, right? Moreover, we allied ourselves with a government that systematically killed many more persons than the Nazi's ever did.

 

[tim]

Come on up to Pennsylvania, no alcohol, car sales or hunting on Sunday. We're lucky the grocery stores are open.

I heard hunting was open on Sundays in Philly year around.

 

[Slydell]

sly ,I heard the other day that inter racial marriages weren't allowed till 71,,blew my mind!
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Probably different years for each state but that' probably pretty close. Within 4-5 years I imagine. Just looked it up and it appears it ended in 1967 for the last remaining holdouts. The issue was settled once and for all in 1967. In the case of Loving v. Virginia the United States Supreme Court ruled that all bans on interracial marriage were unconstitutional.

Interracial Marriage and Gay Marriage- any historic parallels?

 

[possumslayer]

Probably different years for each state but that' probably pretty close. Within 4-5 years I imagine. Just looked it up and it appears it ended in 1967 for the last remaining holdouts. The issue was settled once and for all in 1967. In the case of Loving v. Virginia the United States Supreme Court ruled that all bans on interracial marriage were unconstitutional.

Interracial Marriage and Gay Marriage- any historic parallels?

thanks for the info.
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[Abe Hoffman]

I totally support marriage as an institution and as a legal contract. As evidence of this, I have been married to the same woman for nearly 40 years.

Marriage is such a good institution that I believe it should be available to everyone, including gays.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Marriage is such a horrible institution that I believe it should be available to everyone, including gays.

fyp

 

[emainvol]

You do know that the U.S. did not 'stand up' to stop the Holocaust, right? Moreover, we allied ourselves with a government that systematically killed many more persons than the Nazi's ever did.

Details, details. Next, you are going to tell me that the U.S. didn't single-handedly win WW2

 

[VOLatile]

Details, details. Next, you are going to tell me that the U.S. didn't single-handedly win WW2

United State of America: Two-time defending World War champs

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Details, details. Next, you are going to tell me that the U.S. didn't single-handedly win WW2

Well.......now that you asked, no we did not.

 

[Burhead]

Well.......now that you asked, no we did not.

You can thank Germany itself for victory in the European theatre.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

You can thank Russia itself for victory in the European theatre.

fyp

 

[therealUT]

Did the U.S. win WWII? I seem to remember allowing half of Europe to fall under socialist Soviet hegemony. Is that what we are calling victory?

Well, maybe we won in the Pacific; but, again, we allowed half of Asia to fall under socialist hegemony there as well...

Maybe, just maybe, we did not "win" WWII...

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Did the U.S. win WWII? I seem to remember allowing half of Europe to fall under socialist Soviet hegemony. Is that what we are calling victory?

Well, maybe we won in the Pacific; but, again, we allowed half of Asia to fall under socialist hegemony there as well...

Maybe, just maybe, we did not "win" WWII...

What is Russia

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Ill say it, Zhukov was the general of the era

 

[Burhead]

fyp

Basically same thing I was trying to say. The Germans overstretched their capabilities and supply lines and thought they could show the Russians who was boss.