a bad rule

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VOLorNuttin said:
You don't know what you are talking about. Pig was airborne with both hands on the ball and at the end the ball drifted out of the one hand but his left hand was still holding it until it crossed the goal line. The call should have stood as called on the field as there was not enough evidence that his left hand was not holding onto the ball when it hit the pylon.

It is still a stupid rule if something like that results in a ball going out of bounds, in the field of play or endzone.
If a defender covers it, it's theirs...both in the field of play and in the endzone. Likewise a fumble out of bounds should remain in the possession of the offense, whether it be in the end zone or field of play.
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Dude you need some DVR action. PIG did not have both hands on the ball. The play was also called correctly but you whinny a** fans want to find a scapegoat for everything. S*** happens, move on.
 
#153
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volinbham said:
Unfortunately this is the case. I would have lost my damn mind if it was a UGA player and allowed to stand.

Sucks for Pig most of all - it was a great effort to get to the goal line.
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Incredible effort, but just bad luck along with a little carelessness with the ball trying to do to much. You can't fault him, but you must go with two hands if you are going to dive at the end zone.
 
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keckjm said:
So let's say a DB makes a pick and runs it all the way and fumbles at the goal line. Should we say it's ok bring the offense out or do we say you fumbled its a touch back. Don't change something that isn't broken just because of some bad luck. If you hold onto the ball then the rule is irrevelant anyways. To recap, hold onto the ball. PIG made an effort, but to lunge out like that isn't smart. Most guys who lunge the football like PIG did are usually getting tackled and being pushed backwards away from the end zone. The force of the ground caused PIG to fumble, and he just didn't have good ball security as most players who dive for the end zone do it with two hands.
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If you fumble a ball and it goes out of bounds (even in the end zone) it should be reurned to the spot of the fumble.
Its not complacated.
 
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keckjm said:
Dude you need some DVR action. PIG did not have both hands on the ball. The play was also called correctly but you whinny a** fans want to find a scapegoat for everything. S*** happens, move on.
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Shut your face, punk....at the 5:00 mark of the video you can clearly see that the left hand still had hold of the ball until it crosses the goal line. Only then does it actually leave his hand.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVnq36uDPys&feature=share&list=PL6weYoLf7qRJuVChW7mecgaEoQS7nrVuZ[/youtube]
 
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orangeslice13 said:
If you fumble a ball and it goes out of bounds (even in the end zone) it should be reurned to the spot of the fumble.
Its not complacated.
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Except that's not the rule.

If you snap the ball from your own 5 and get a holding call in the endzone why isn't it 1/2 way to the goal instead of a safety?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Shut your face, punk....at the 5:00 mark of the video you can clearly see that the left hand still had hold of the ball until it crosses the goal line. Only then does it actually leave his hand.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVnq36uDPys&feature=share&list=PL6weYoLf7qRJuVChW7mecgaEoQS7nrVuZ[/youtube]
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Oh my
 
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It looks to me like the ball is still in contact with his hand when it broke the plane. That doesn't equall controll. Imo that call could have gone either way.

Dumb rule.
 
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volinbham said:
Except that's not the rule.

If you snap the ball from your own 5 and get a holding call in the endzone why isn't it 1/2 way to the goal instead of a safety?
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Wtf does that have to do with a fumble rule discussion?


Does it matter where the hold happens?
If the hold is at the 2 is it still a safty?
How long can you tread water?
(As long as we're straying from the topic)
 
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orangeslice13 said:
It looks to me like the ball is still in contact with his hand when it broke the plane. That doesn't equall controll. Imo that call could have gone either way.

Dumb rule.
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call vs rule

I can respect that people think it's dumb but the rule is grounded in the fundamentals of football and has stood the test of time of b!tching fans. Seems entirely consistent with safety rules to me and apparently all those who can change the rule feel the same way.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
Wtf does that have to do with a fumble rule discussion?


Does it matter where the hold happens?
If the hold is at the 2 is it still a safty?
How long can you tread water?
(As long as we're straying from the topic)
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It absolutely matters where the hold occurs and that's the point.

It matters because the rules in the endzone are different than the rules in the field of play. They are that way for a reason. Safety rules make as much or as little sense as the situation in question yet only one gets complained about and it only gets complained about when it negatively affects the team you cheer for.
 
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While running in the endzone you fumble the ball forward and it goes out at the one.
Safty or 1st and 10 at the 1?
 
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volinbham said:
It absolutely matters where the hold occurs and that's the point.

It matters because the rules in the endzone are different than the rules in the field of play. They are that way for a reason. Safety rules make as much or as little sense as the situation in question yet only one gets complained about and it only gets complained about when it negatively affects the team you cheer for.
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What team I cheer for is not relevant. The rule is not consistant with the rest of the fumble rules.

You have me confused with LG1
 
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orangeslice13 said:
What team I cheer for is not relevant. The rule is not consistant with the rest of the fumble rules.

You have me confused with LG1
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It is consistent with other rules regarding the offense and the endzone

Do you honestly think it's just a dumb rule and that no sanctioning body has ever bothered to change it even though it's a dumb rule or is it more likely it is a core tenet of endzone vs field of play and despite relentless complaints of fans it has been maintained. Honestly which makes more sense?
 
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volinbham said:
not sure but I'd guess a safety?

I know for sure that if it goes OB in the endzone it is a safety.
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It should be where the fumble happened in all cases or where it ends in all cases But right now the rule changes from case to case. I've asked a question that neither of us know the answer to. As is the case with all dumb rules it complacates things unnessesarally.
 
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volinbham said:
It is consistent with other rules regarding the offense and the endzone

Do you honestly think it's just a dumb rule and that no sanctioning body has ever bothered to change it even though it's a dumb rule or is it more likely it is a core tenet of endzone vs field of play and despite relentless complaints of fans it has been maintained. Honestly which makes more sense?
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I think it doesn't happen often enough to cause a real uproar.
Let it change the outcome of a NC game and then it will get discussed.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
It should be where the fumble happened in all cases or where it ends in all cases But right now the rule changes from case to case. I've asked a question that neither of us know the answer to. As is the case with all dumb rules it complacates things unessesarally.
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the fact that we don't know the answer doesn't mean there isn't a rule for it.

my point is that all sorts of rules change when the endzone is involved. to single out one as dumb but accept the others doesn't seem logical to me.

more practically, every sanctioning body of football maintains this rule despite complaints that pop up any time it works against a given team. I assume there is a reason for maintaining this basic and long standing rule.

one can think it's dumb but arguing that it is unique doesn't jibe with all the other rules that change when the endzone (and a loose ball going OB in the endzone) are involved.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
I think it doesn't happen often enough to cause a real uproar.
Let it change the outcome of a NC game and then it will get discussed.
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I guarantee it gets brought up every time it occurs and every rules committee is aware of the rule yet has not changed it.
 
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volinbham said:
the fact that we don't know the answer doesn't mean there isn't a rule for it.

my point is that all sorts of rules change when the endzone is involved. to single out one as dumb but accept the others doesn't seem logical to me.

more practically, every sanctioning body of football maintains this rule despite complaints that pop up any time it works against a given team. I assume there is a reason for maintaining this basic and long standing rule.

one can think it's dumb but arguing that it is unique doesn't jibe with all the other rules that change when the endzone (and a loose ball going OB in the endzone) are involved.
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We played 100 yrs of football with out a 10sec run off for false start penelties at the end of a game. That rule change. Long standing doesn't make a rule a good rule.
 
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already happened in the NFL this year and happened in the NFL last year (first page of Google).
 
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volinbham said:
Why should a punt that hits at the 5 or the 1 then rolls into the endzone come out to the 20?

Why should a kickoff into the endzone come out to the 20?

It's the same principle. You relinquish possession of the ball into the opponent's endzone and it is their ball at the 20.
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It's not the same principle at all.
Your examples involve kicking the ball through the end zone. There is no "possession" to relinquish there.
 
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