A black James Bond??

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Honestly, I just feel like Bond is one of those characters you can change actors, change race, hell even change gender and it isn't going to bother me. He exists in a world of espionage where, like I said previously, James Bond is probably more or less an alias.

I do think they overdo it sometimes in changing the race of established characters for the sake of "inclusivity", but I feel Bond is a character they can do that with and it shouldn't really matter.
 
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Weezer said:
Honestly, I just feel like Bond is one of those characters you can change actors, change race, hell even change gender and it isn't going to bother me. He exists in a world of espionage where, like I said previously, James Bond is probably more or less an alias.

I do think they overdo it sometimes in changing the race of established characters for the sake of "inclusivity", but I feel Bond is a character they can do that with and it shouldn't really matter.
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There is definitely room in the literary world for fluid characters like this. Dr. Who is the most obvious example. I really like what they did with the last Mad Max movie.
 
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n_huffhines said:
There is definitely room in the literary world for fluid characters like this. Dr. Who is the most obvious example. I really like what they did with the last Mad Max movie.
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Did you watch that horrible Fantastic Four reboot several years back? What was your take on them making Johnny Storm/Human Torch black?
 
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bigdaddy said:
Or how about we redo Malcom X and have a Latino play him? It’s the same concept
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Um one is a real person and one is a fictional character. You do know the difference don't you?


Hoosier_Vol said:
Not a James Bond fan but now they're just going to magically make him black?? :rolleyes:

Idris Elba may be next James Bond after Daniel Craig
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Magically? He is a fictional character. The main points, suave British super spy are still intact.

bigdaddy said:
Ok then have Nick Cage be an Oriental then.
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That is offensive.
A thing or object is an Oriental, a person is an Asian.
 
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Weezer said:
Did you watch that horrible Fantastic Four reboot several years back? What was your take on them making Johnny Storm/Human Torch black?
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I thought it was bad because his sister is white. If there is one character you could change it would be Ben Grimm but then Twitter would condem it for turning the black man into a monster.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Wasn’t he in discussion back before Craig took the roll.

Bond is really about the villain, the action and the gadgets. Doesn’t really matter if he is black.
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Yes he was., Some other names I think I remember being mentioned back then was Ruper Gint (Ron Weasly from Harry Potter), Matt Smith (Doctor Who) and Clive Owen.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
That's what I've thought.

My only issue would be Elba is already 45, and he's only about 4 and a half years younger than Craig, and even if they decided today Elba would be 46 before they started filming. I don't care about making him black part but I think they should shoot for someone in at least their mid-30s. I know Roger Moore was 46 when he started playing Bond but that was a different time and for much different types of Bond films; unless they plain to go back to cheese.
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I agree, However with the way Hollywood is today on getting a film to an actual production date he would be more likely closing on 47 seeing as how he turns 46 in just a couple of weeks (September 6) actually. He would be closing in on 60 (or better) if he did 3 to 4 films like Craig. Who's first film Casino Royale released back in 2006.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I thought it was bad because his sister is white. If there is one character you could change it would be Ben Grimm but then Twitter would condem it for turning the black man into a monster.
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I thought it was a case of trying to be too inclusive. I know the films were made by different studios, but Marvel has black characters. Look at the success of Black Panther. I don't see the need to change the ethnicity in that situation simply for the sake of diversity. If you want diversity, introduce new, interesting characters with their own strengths and stories. And I know people could use the same argument for Bond, but I think Bond exists in unique circumstances where any person could carry the James Bond alias.
 
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Weezer said:
I thought it was a case of trying to be too inclusive. I know the films were made by different studios, but Marvel has black characters. Look at the success of Black Panther. I don't see the need to change the ethnicity in that situation simply for the sake of diversity. If you want diversity, introduce new, interesting characters with their own strengths and stories. And I know people could use the same argument for Bond, but I think Bond exists in unique circumstances where any person could carry the James Bond alias.
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I agree. It’s definitely double standard I have for comic book characters. I have no qualms with Miles Morales existing as a side character... even staring in his own animated film... but Spider-Man is always going to a white kid front Queens NY with brown eyes and brown hair.
 
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NorCalVol67 said:
Malcom X is a real person not a character in a novel, so I disagree it is the same concept.

And if Gal Gadot played Bond and I would be okay with that. 😀
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Gal can play whatever she wants!
 
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k-town_king said:
Um one is a real person and one is a fictional character. You do know the difference don't you?




Magically? He is a fictional character. The main points, suave British super spy are still intact.



That is offensive.
A thing or object is an Oriental, a person is an Asian.
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So what it’s a movie, it’s racist to not let a Latino play non of he’s a better actor
 
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k-town_king said:
Um one is a real person and one is a fictional character. You do know the difference don't you?




Magically? He is a fictional character. The main points, suave British super spy are still intact.



That is offensive.
A thing or object is an Oriental, a person is an Asian.
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Or we can redo Cosby and make it a south Asian family
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I agree. It’s definitely double standard I have for comic book characters. I have no qualms with Miles Morales existing as a side character... even staring in his own animated film... but Spider-Man is always going to a white kid front Queens NY with brown eyes and brown hair.
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I'm biased because Spider-man has always been my favorite superhero character, and also because I was pretty much out of the comic game when Morales was even introduced so I know little about him. I wouldn't care if he was introduced as well in say the MCU and existed along with PP or if he got his own stand alone but I'm the same as you, Spider-man is Peter Parker to me.

And I'll admit that I would turn around and laugh at someone who said say "Scott Lang isn't Ant-Man, Hank Pym is Ant-Man!"
 
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bigdaddy said:
Nope, just pointing out some more changes we can make in entertainment to be more welcoming to all races!
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But why? It's like you're trying to riff on the absurdity of a black Bond, but a S Korean BHC would be fine. Axel Foley doesn't have to be black. The Cosby show wouldn't be the Cosby show without Cosby, regardless of the color of the replacement.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I agree. It’s definitely double standard I have for comic book characters. I have no qualms with Miles Morales existing as a side character... even staring in his own animated film... but Spider-Man is always going to a white kid front Queens NY with brown eyes and brown hair.
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Agreed. In some ways, I guess I can understand why people who watch the movies without ever having read a comic wouldn't care. But for any former comic geek such as myself, it's a big deal. Comics are such a visual medium, so you grow up knowing exactly how a character should look. Going into a movie, you know they aren't going to nail everything about appearance correctly, but you expect them to try and be close. Changing race in that case is upsetting simply because they are straying so far from the subject matter.

Trying to stay on subject matter, Bond just isn't the same for me. He's not a character with a well fleshed out past, or an origin. The moment you meet him he's a super spy. You don't really know how or why he became a super spy. He just is. Without that past, it opens up the question(for me at least), is James Bond even his real name? I mean, he's a spy, you would expect it to be an alias, right? Honestly, I think it's the genre of the film that opens it up to just about anyone being Bond.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I'm biased because Spider-man has always been my favorite superhero character, and also because I was pretty much out of the comic game when Morales was even introduced so I know little about him. I wouldn't care if he was introduced as well in say the MCU and existed along with PP or if he got his own stand alone but I'm the same as you, Spider-man is Peter Parker to me.

And I'll admit that I would turn around and laugh at someone who said say "Scott Lang isn't Ant-Man, Hank Pym is Ant-Man!"
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The difference is in the powers, IMO. It's much easier to accept a different Ant-Man because anyone can use Pym particles. It's not limited to Hank Pym. It's a much more farfetched idea(though from what I've heard Marvel has apparently done it) that their are multiple radioactive spiders running around biting people and giving them the same powers.
 
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