A little food for thought

[sjt18]

OP pointed it out, Jones was 2-1 against Charlie Strong. Only loss was in OT this year.

Charlie Strong beat gators. The logical conclusion is that Jones will bring us back to relevence.

Nope. You cannot draw that "conclusion" but you can say that it is a good indicator of Jones' coaching ability.

 

[sjt18]

What was Louisville's record when Cincinnati beat them?

What was L'ville's record when Cincy took them to OT at home this year?

But to answer your question directly, L'ville was 7-6 in both years that Jones beat Strong. In '11, Strong beat the same WVU team that hammered Clemson however. In '10, Cincy had a dismal 4-8 rebuilding year... and Jones still had his guys playing hard enough in their 9th game (after bowl hopes were gone) to beat L'ville away.

Twice Jones beat Strong with teams that finished with worse records.

Recruiting is going to be the tell tale on Jones. He has proven he can take lesser talent and beat teams with more talent... and even some that are well coached. However he's dealing with a completely different animal now. He does not have to get the same level of talent but it needs to be pretty close. He then has to manage his roster and maintain very good depth across the board.

 

[sjt18]

Absurd statement.


A game between Louisville and UF gives absolutely no validation to anything concerning TN football. Any validation concerning TN football will be earned on the field by TN players and TN coaches.

It validates that a coach that Jones beat with less talent twice and took to OT this year is a very good coach.

 

[gnm53108]

sjt..."He has proven he can take lesser talent and beat teams with more talent..."

Trying to remember the last time we could say that about one of our coaches.

I guess Dooley almost did it in 10...lsu

 

[sjt18]

He also beat Strong when the latter had a crappy team. It's akin to saying that UL Monroe's coach is better than Nick Saban.

That would be true.... but it isn't.

Jones had a "crappier" team in '10. He didn't have as good of a team this year but played Strong even. AND at no point was Jones working with more talent than Strong had.

I really like Strong and still wish he had made the move. In addition to being a very good coach, he would be a very good recruiter for UT. But based purely on gameday coaching, Jones has outperformed Strong head to head. Not sure why you want to argue against that... other than an impulse to always be negative.

 

[sjt18]

sjt..."He has proven he can take lesser talent and beat teams with more talent..."

Trying to remember the last time we could say that about one of our coaches.

I guess Dooley almost did it in 10...lsu

Past performance is NEVER an ironclad indicator of future results... however it is nice to see for a change.

I AM concerned about his ability to recruit players good enough to give him a chance to outcoach other SEC teams. I like what he's done as a coach on gameday for the most part.


Almost will probably be on Dooley's head stone when he dies.

But you are right. It had been a very long time since Fulmer beat a more talented team or even competed closely with the exception of LSU. Kiffin didn't beat anyone UT should not have beaten. Dooley came "close" a couple of times.

It will be sweet if ESPN reports that UT has upset someone next fall.

 

[24/7vol]

Sorry to change subject but I was on the Arizona Republic this morning as my NFL team is now looking for a coach. There was an article from S.I. saying the Saban was very interested in Browns job if Haslam hires Michael Lombardi as GM. All these Bama folks keep telling me Saban is going nowhere as he loves Bama so much and will retire there. If Browns hire Lombardi in next few days it will get real interesting.

 

[sjt18]

hes already done what we haven't been able to in a decade. that is good enough for me. i didn't think he was that good, but unlike most on here i can admit when i'm wrong.

:hi:

I still would have preferred Strong to be honest. Jones looks to have a little edge on gameday but recruiting has to be a concern. UT's unique recruiting situation requires any edge you can find. Strong is a good recruiter regardless of race but being black might help when asking a black athlete to attend school and play football 700 miles from home.

 

[WinginFlorida]

At what point did it appear that L'ville was playing over their heads or doing anything they had not done to other teams all year? In fact, Strong's halftime comment was we need to just keep doing what we do... and then they did. I cannot remember a single point where they looked overmatched at any matchup except Floyd. UL's DL whipped UF's OL all night. UF's secondary got beat consistently. UL's run game wore UF down and was able to come up with some big 2nd half runs.

The notion that UF came out "flat" or disappointed at not getting a NC shot is just an excuse. UF played hard... they just got beaten soundly by a better team. They were in a BCS bowl. That's a big deal... and I seem to remember many here arguing that it was the coach's fault if a team comes out flat...

This was NOTHING like those games. UL had talent comparable enough to win individual match ups... and Strong badly outcoached Muschamp.

Agree 100%. It was pretty obvious to me Florida took the approach all they had to do was hit Louisville in the mouth a few times and they would quit...heck, I can almost hear the Gator coaches telling the team that very thing. Well, it didn't happen. Louisville took Florida's best shots, kept their poise and kicked Florida's butts. As disciplined as Louisville was, Florida was the exact opposite.

And that, my friend, was a result of good coaching and poor coaching. I would expect Florida to beat Louisville more times than not, but last night wasn't one of those times.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Fact bj doesn't get a free ride in year one like everyone gave cdd. There is enough talent to win 7 or 8 games next year anything less n we should be asking ourselves is he the right coach and is hart the right ad.

I'm already asking if Hart is the right AD.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

sjt..."He has proven he can take lesser talent and beat teams with more talent..."

Trying to remember the last time we could say that about one of our coaches.

I guess Dooley almost did it in 10...lsu

Fulmer was straight money as an underdog. Especially a double digit underdog.

 

[finn]

Early, it looked like Florida was more interested in jaw boning and strutting around after a tackle, and Louisville was there to play a football game. At times the Gators reminded me of the Seminoles of a few years ago. Coach Strong had his team believing they could win and had over 30 Floridians on his roster with a grudge, and by the time Florida realized it was not going to be a cake walk it was too late.

UF = a bunchless of classless street thugs and it starts at the top with their meathead coach.

After about 3mins of the jawing, taunting, strutting by the Gators, all SEC loyalty was out the window and I enjoyed the beatdown that followed.

Say what you will about Saban but I guarantee you won't see any of that crap from Bama on Monday. Strong seems to instill the same discipline in his players as well. I like Butch but would have been good with Charlie too if things unfolded differently.

 

[Brianchevy]

transitive property theory is interesting. I have a different theory.

the HATE theory - people who screw over tennessee, anger VolNation, either through their actions, or comments, or by telling us No when we are recruiting them, interviewing them or negotiation with them, deserve to be hated by all.

I was pulling for gators over Cards because Charlie Strong satisfys the HATE theory. if you told us NO, you svck. ha ha.

But of course, you can put sunshine on this Sugar Bowl, i won't. Charlie Strong is a hot coaching name, and he didn't want to be in Knoxville. F him.

 

[NashVol11]

Twice Jones beat Strong with teams that finished with worse records.

Really? Which two years were those?

 

[JAllen18]

The 2-1 record everyone seems to be using as an example is flawed. You can't judge 3 games on a 2-1 record and say "Jones has a winning record against Strong, He's a way better coach") There's not enough of a difference between the two coaches to show a clear cut "better" coach. You can't judge that on 3 games.

 

[gnm53108]

Past performance is NEVER an ironclad indicator of future results... however it is nice to see for a change.

I AM concerned about his ability to recruit players good enough to give him a chance to outcoach other SEC teams. I like what he's done as a coach on gameday for the most part.


Almost will probably be on Dooley's head stone when he dies.

But you are right. It had been a very long time since Fulmer beat a more talented team or even competed closely with the exception of LSU. Kiffin didn't beat anyone UT should not have beaten. Dooley came "close" a couple of times.

It will be sweet if ESPN reports that UT has upset someone next fall.

Trying to remember which team Fulmer beat that was more talented...maybe fl a time or two but the difference in tallent was close enough that it shouldn't have mattered.

How talented was miami when Clausen beat em?

Oh...and sweet is a gross understatement.

 

[OrangeDog]

And Dooley beat Jones....So?

Wet Blanket!!!

 

[supersmo18]

Really? Which two years were those?

He beat Strong in 2010, 35-27, but finished 4-8 on the season, wheras Strong finished 7-6.

He beat Strong in 2011, 25-16, but finished 10-3 (major improvement) on the season, when strong finished 7-6 (again).

This year was an OT loss.

So, technically, he's right; CBJ beat Jones twice, but he's wrong by the comment that he did it with worse records each time.

 

[SmilezDavis]

Trying to remember which team Fulmer beat that was more talented...maybe fl a time or two but the difference in tallent was close enough that it shouldn't have mattered.

How talented was miami when Clausen beat em?

'03 Hurricanes were loaded. They hold the record for most first round picks in a single draft with six: Vernon Carey, Sean Taylor, Jonathan Vilma, Vince Wilfork, D.J. Williams, and Kellen Winslow. Other starters included Frank Gore, Antrell Rolle, and Eric Winston. Had players like Jon Beason, Devin Hester, and Greg Olsen on the bench. Loaded.

 

[Ohio_Vol]

Dooley beat Jones beat Strong beat Muschamp beat Dooley. Its the circle of Coaching. Can't wait till season starts tired of this hypathetical bull****.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

UF = a bunchless of classless street thugs and it starts at the top with their meathead coach.

After about 3mins of the jawing, taunting, strutting by the Gators, all SEC loyalty was out the window and I enjoyed the beatdown that followed.

Say what you will about Saban but I guarantee you won't see any of that crap from Bama on Monday. Strong seems to instill the same discipline in his players as well. I like Butch but would have been good with Charlie too if things unfolded differently.

I think we got the one that will help us the most. Jones just seems right for the job.

 

[Boca Vol]

'03 Hurricanes were loaded. They hold the record for most first round picks in a single draft with six: Vernon Carey, Sean Taylor, Jonathan Vilma, Vince Wilfork, D.J. Williams, and Kellen Winslow. Other starters included Frank Gore, Antrell Rolle, and Eric Winston. Had players like Jon Beason, Devin Hester, and Greg Olsen on the bench. Loaded.

They had a lot of individual talent but they weren't that good as a team. They should have wiped the field with every team they played but for some reason they couldn't put it together.

 

[gemlek]

looks like we should have paid strong alot of money. we got the wrong coach.

Agree 100%....should not have been dorking around w. Gruden and Gundy; Strong should have been the #1 candidate...he probably would be a Vol if that had been the case. Letting Strong know the job was his if Gundy didn't want it was the wrong message. UofL gave him the 1st opportunity to be a HC; he was not going to leave Louisville for another school which considered him their second (or third) option. Hart f****d it up.

 

[gnm53108]

'03 Hurricanes were loaded. They hold the record for most first round picks in a single draft with six: Vernon Carey, Sean Taylor, Jonathan Vilma, Vince Wilfork, D.J. Williams, and Kellen Winslow. Other starters included Frank Gore, Antrell Rolle, and Eric Winston. Had players like Jon Beason, Devin Hester, and Greg Olsen on the bench. Loaded.

Thanks.

Thats probably the last time a Tennessee team beat a more tallented team....altho we weren't a slouch in 03 either.

 

[gnm53108]

Fulmer was straight money as an underdog. Especially a double digit underdog.

IMO most of the time Tennessee's underdog status was not due to tallent...well not player tallent anyway.