A little food for thought

#77
#77
Dagreek1998 said:
When Charlie Strong decided to stay at UL, most of us were shocked. When UT turned their attention to Butch, most were skeptic. Since then, Butch's passion for this program has shown through and gives credence to AD Hart decision.

Now tonight in light of what UL is doing to the gators, I am even more confident. Why you ask? It's as simple as 1,2,3.

1) In three games against Charlie Strong, Butch is 2-1 with the only loss being an overtime loss.

2) The idea that game plans and great coaching turn 3* into 5* in no more evident than in tonight's game. While Florida has finished with highly ranked recruiting classes, over the last four years, UL classes have finished 78, 49, 29, and 42.

3) while I don't believe that the lack of recruiting success UL has had will cut it on the SEC on a weekly basis, I believe that Butch's passion and vision will continue to attract big time players (be patient with this class and rank). What may be missed by most is that he will also bring in grinders. Players that will fight to the end and will give Tennessee their all. Those are the players he is trying to find now and that will make the difference next year.

Once success and excitement is back next year, Butch and his staff will reap the benefits of their hard work as more of the top players will migrate to Knoxville. As those players come to Rocky Top, they will be joined by grinders.

Yes tonight is more validation that the future of Tennessee Football is bright.

GO VOLS.
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Thanks Mrs. Jones.....
 
#78
#78
Food for thought. UT....National Champions 2016! Maybe. Maybe not.

Think about it. It's mind boggling. :loco:
 
#83
#83
Wow, I have never seen a fan base that wants to be so right even if it means their team fails. The major points in my orignal message is this. First, butch is ever bit the coach Charlie is if not better. This is proven by head to head matchups. Second, it will take time to get to the same talent level as Bama. In the mean time, our success with be based on our ability to find and devlope grinders. Butch Jones can do this and can get them to see his vision and passion got this program. All of these things are items that have been missing on Rocky Top for a while.

To the haters, go hate but at the end of the day it truley sucks to be you because if your wrong, your still a hater and if your right, your team fails.

Go Vols
 
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#84
#84
Dagreek1998 said:
Wow, I have never seen a fan base that wants to be so right even if it means their team fails. The major points in my orignal message is this. First, butch is ever bit the coach Charlie is if not better. This is proven by head to head matchups. Second, it will take time to get to the same talent level as Bama. In the mean time, our success with be based on our ability to find and devlope grinders. Butch Jones can do this and can get them to see his vision and passion got this program. All of these things are items that have been missing on Rocky Top for a while.

To the haters, go hate but at the end of the day it truley sucks to be you because if your wrong, your still a hater and if your right, your team fails.

Go Vols
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I concur. :hi:
 
#86
#86
VKAman said:
Can you tell me the record of the best team Jones beat at Cincinnati?
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Can you tell me why you are so determined to deny that the guy is a good gameday coach? Can you tell me why you are so determined to find one negative pebble to use as a foundation for a negative conclusion?

I have seen and interacted with you before. My position is simply that there is some reason to hope he will be a good coach. I am not predicting he will- just saying that he has won previously and beaten a guy who has demonstrated that he can coach. He's done this with teams made up of recruiting classes that finished mid-pack according to Rivals in the Big East. The 3 classes he inherited plus what he added at Cincy (his classes rated a higher than Kelly's on the whole) avg'd right around 5th in the 8 team Big East.

You think you have to come up with some "reason" to declare failure... RIGHT NOW. Why?

Am I wrong or weren't you a big Kiffin guy?
 
#87
#87
Eddie Vol Halen said:
Fulmer was straight money as an underdog. Especially a double digit underdog.
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Really? I'd like to see your proof for that... and make sure to include all the games where he lost as a favorite or if you wish failed to cover the spread... though I think the latter is pretty meaningless.
 
#88
#88
JAllen18 said:
The 2-1 record everyone seems to be using as an example is flawed. You can't judge 3 games on a 2-1 record and say "Jones has a winning record against Strong, He's a way better coach") There's not enough of a difference between the two coaches to show a clear cut "better" coach. You can't judge that on 3 games.
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You are right. You cannot draw any categorical conclusion from those 3 games. OTOH, he DID outcoach Strong head to head so that SUPPORTS the hope that he's a good coach. The fact that he was working with less talent DOES strongly indicate that he knows how to get it done on gameday.
 
#89
#89
supersmo18 said:
He beat Strong in 2010, 35-27, but finished 4-8 on the season, wheras Strong finished 7-6.

He beat Strong in 2011, 25-16, but finished 10-3 (major improvement) on the season, when strong finished 7-6 (again).

This year was an OT loss.

So, technically, he's right; CBJ beat Jones twice, but he's wrong by the comment that he did it with worse records each time.
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You are correct. I apologize for my error.
 
#90
#90
Ohio_Vol said:
Dooley beat Jones beat Strong beat Muschamp beat Dooley. Its the circle of Coaching. Can't wait till season starts tired of this hypathetical bull****.
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There are no transitive properties in football like this for the very reason you point to.

You can only look at what results "generally" indicate.

The problem is you cannot satisfy guys like VKA.


Dooley had a losing record at LT... so that was the justification to condemn him from the very start. I advocated that he get his chance before being fired. NOTHING these guys said helped the program or hurried DD's dismissal directly.

So now UT hired a guy who has not only won but finished 1st in his conferenece in 4 of 6 seasons as a HC.... so now VKA and guys like him have to find some other reason to declare him a failure other than his record. So they hit on "he didn't play anyone". But then someone prove he did beat "someone". So now they'll look for some other "foundation" to support a conclusion that they have already committed to.... that really doesn't even need to enter consideration for at least 2 years.

IIRC, VKA was a big Kiffin supporter. Kiffin made all sorts of noise... and finished 7-6. He's now gone to USCw for his "dream job"... and has some calling for him to be fired after taking an extremely talented team to an embarrassing 7-6 record with a bowl loss to a 6-7 GT team. Not only a loss... but a domination.

But Kiffin "excited" some fans... he made them "feel" good. They got all starry eyed when he acted brash and reckless.
 
#91
#91
Dagreek1998 said:
Wow, I have never seen a fan base that wants to be so right even if it means their team fails. The major points in my orignal message is this. First, butch is ever bit the coach Charlie is if not better. This is proven by head to head matchups. Second, it will take time to get to the same talent level as Bama. In the mean time, our success with be based on our ability to find and devlope grinders. Butch Jones can do this and can get them to see his vision and passion got this program. All of these things are items that have been missing on Rocky Top for a while.

To the haters, go hate but at the end of the day it truley sucks to be you because if your wrong, your still a hater and if your right, your team fails.

Go Vols
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i hope i'm wrong as hell and jones goes 12-0 next year, but chances are he will fail. feel close to the same when they hired dooley all i can do is hope i'm wrong when more than likely it looks like i will be right. recruiting is a key in the SEC we needed the huge name and great recruiters to charge the program that is about dead. i see auburn hired rich bisaccia today. it is sad when there staff make ours look like a joke especially after jones said we would have the best staff ever. i just don't see much to be optomistic about its dooley part 2 all over again.
 
#94
#94
UGADawg4Life said:
No coach would have left his team before their bowl. And UT needed an immediate hire to keep the fans from rioting.
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Are u joking?


Every year, there are always a dozen teams playing their bowl game with a different coach than they had in the regular season. Of the games I watched this year, Purdue, Texas tech, Wisconsin, cinncinati, northern Illinois, nc state are a few that come to mind.


I assume you are joking?
 
#95
#95
sjt18 said:
Can you tell me why you are so determined to deny that the guy is a good gameday coach? Can you tell me why you are so determined to find one negative pebble to use as a foundation for a negative conclusion?

I have seen and interacted with you before. My position is simply that there is some reason to hope he will be a good coach. I am not predicting he will- just saying that he has won previously and beaten a guy who has demonstrated that he can coach. He's done this with teams made up of recruiting classes that finished mid-pack according to Rivals in the Big East. The 3 classes he inherited plus what he added at Cincy (his classes rated a higher than Kelly's on the whole) avg'd right around 5th in the 8 team Big East.

You think you have to come up with some "reason" to declare failure... RIGHT NOW. Why?

Am I wrong or weren't you a big Kiffin guy?
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I guess I should take that as a no.
 
#96
#96
Here's a little food for thought.....what has UT done right in the last 8 years?
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#98
#98
sjt18 said:
I have seen and interacted with you before. My position is simply that there is some reason to hope he will be a good coach. I am not predicting he will- just saying that he has won previously and beaten a guy who has demonstrated that he can coach. He's done this with teams made up of recruiting classes that finished mid-pack according to Rivals in the Big East. The 3 classes he inherited plus what he added at Cincy (his classes rated a higher than Kelly's on the whole) avg'd right around 5th in the 8 team Big East.

You think you have to come up with some "reason" to declare failure... RIGHT NOW. Why?
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You're saying Jones had more talent than Kelly and performed much worse?

Hey, you're trying harder than I am. I'm asking why he didn't beat a single 8-win conference team in 3 years. If you want to say that he was an underdog in all 9 of those games because of Rivals ratings, or that Rivals also tells you that beating a 7-6 team is a HUUGE win, good for you. But it's almost as big a reach as your "He restored the talent like a poor man's Ron Zook!!!" defense of Derek Dooley.
 
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