A message to the OGs (Original Grudenites)

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Sudden Impact said:
A lot of butt hurt in here? The OGs passed the info given to them....no need to name names....it was your choice to believe them not theirs. Gruden played all of us,,,, his agent did took
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I agree with everything you say except Gruden playing us. He may have but I keep going back to what Hubbs said early on about Gruden not being number one on Hart's list. That tells me Hart was dead set on not bringing Gruden here. I doubt we'll ever know what transpired within this whole thing.

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Vol Karma said:
So after Boro and his sheep hammered doubters in the Gruden thread we should feel sorry for him? He is nothing but a troll to me and always will be. I don't care if he had sources or not because he was disrespectful to anyone who question his stories.

Some of you would be easy pickings for a cult.
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If you actually believe that there was not some serious goings on behind the scenes well I would think you are a reedite. I personally think that all these negotiations were between Gruden and a group of boosters and Hart would have none of it. I don't believe that boro, OV or any of the OGs were trolling.
 
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Thanks, OP.

To those discounting Gruden's interest. Did you ever wonder why Gruden did not address the rumor by saying he was not interested in the job? Why it was his agent saying it? Did you ever wonder why Hart did not address the rumor by saying Jon Gruden would not be UT's next head coach while the search was going on?

Use your brains if you are in that camp. Per internal UTAD discussions, Hyams, Hubbs, family, and potential assistant coach communications - there was a play made with Gruden. It did not happen because the conditions for his hiring were not met by UT. Again - much of this has been reported openly by the press.

Which is why Hart's is public enemy #1. He lied to everyone. He made a mockery of UT with his incompetent handling of the search. Whether it was right or wrong to pass on Gruden was UT's choice to make and I will not say one way or the other because I was not there to understand the negotiations. But you are living in La La Land if you think it did not happen.

As a UT fan you should want the best there is to take the job. To be against hiring the best is to prove you are not a UT fan. I will back Butch Jones and the players 100% as a fan. But not another penny of financial support as long as Hart and Cheek at employed at UT.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If you actually believe that there was not some serious goings on behind the scenes well I would think you are a reedite. I personally think that all these negotiations were between Gruden and a group of boosters and Hart would have none of it. I don't believe that boro, OV or any of the OGs were trolling.
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No because I don't believe in rumors on the internet. Was there a chance it could be true? Sure, but I am not going to believe someone on the internet who might be at the most passing information second hand from a so-called source.

Plus even if it was true it wouldn't change what an ass boro and others were.


Vols4us said:
Thanks, OP.

To those discounting Gruden's interest. Did you ever wonder why Gruden did not address the rumor by saying he was not interested in the job? Why it was his agent saying it? Did you ever wonder why Hart did not address the rumor by saying Jon Gruden would not be UT's next head coach while the search was going on?
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By your logic Gruden should of been the next coach at Arkansas.

That said if I was the AD I wouldn't address rumors either. Stupid to think that rumors have to be addressed.
 
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Vol Karma said:
No because I don't believe in rumors on the internet. Was there a chance it could be true? Sure, but I am not going to believe someone on the internet who might be at the most passing information second hand from a so-called source.

Plus even if it was true it wouldn't change what an ass boro and others were.




By your logic Gruden should of been the next coach at Arkansas.

That said if I was the AD I wouldn't address rumors either. Stupid to think that rumors have to be addressed.
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What about the national NFL media saying he was having discussions with coaches about a "college" job? Many had ties to UT.

What about the article by the Chattanooga Times Free Press? More than just internet rumors. Like I said, I believe some boosters, without Hart's blessing were trying to put together a deal with Gruden and Hart didn't like it. I don't think it was all the big boosters, but a group of substantial boosters. I doubt we'll ever know the true story. If Hart did go against some of the big boosters as it appears, it will be interesting to see if he survives long term.
 
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Vol Karma said:
So after Boro and his sheep hammered doubters in the Gruden thread we should feel sorry for him? He is nothing but a troll to me and always will be. I don't care if he had sources or not because he was disrespectful to anyone who question his stories.

Some of you would be easy pickings for a cult.
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I don't doubt that. I had my run-ins with the Grudenites. It is simply self-defeating to hate on those guys for the next six months. Counterintuitive, imo.
 
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Vol Karma said:
You are correct. Soon it will be nothing more than a faded memory.
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Don't think this one will fade as fast since Gruden certainly was in play and not just pie in the sky. It will fade much faster if Butch wins and that's the bottom line we all want.
 
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Yay4Bray said:
Guys, I want to sincerely apologize. The info I was given was 100% legit. Hart didn't want Gruden here. That's what this boils down to. The boosters did the heavy lifting behind Harts backs and that really pissed him off. The boosters stopped every hire from happening until last night. Hart disconnected his phone so no one could stop it.

This is a dark age in UT football. Hart has signed his death certificate as AD.

Again, I'm sorry.
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Lots of horse poop in this post.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
What makes our fan base look foolish are the ones that slurp this diarrhea up when the UT administration tells them it's chicken noodle soup. What makes our fan base look foolish is when mediocrity becomes acceptable. What makes our fan base look foolish is when we accept a coach that none of the power houses of the SEC would have even had on their list of potential replacements. What makes our fan base look silly is when they think so little of the UT program to believe no big time, proven winner would be attracted to UT.

This is not a slam on CBJ. He may turn out to be great. This is another experiment and a risk. Tennessee didn't need to take a chance as they have with this hire. They needed the closest they could get to a sure thing. To compete with the big dogs you need a big dog. We settled as simple as that.
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If you would open your eyes, you would see that UF, A&M, Miss St, & Vandy have all taken the same, or even bigger risks with their most recent hires than UT has with this one, and have all been successfully improved.

We hired a proven D1 head coach, not a coordinator or a shaky head coach.

I'm not sure who you had in mind as UT's next head coach, but if you think we were getting a superstar, you are in fantasy land.

We got one of the most solid available coach's looking to move up in the cfb world. Nobody was going to make a lateral move to take this job this year.
 
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OHvol40 said:
If you would open your eyes, you would see that UF, A&M, Miss St, & Vandy have all taken the same, or even bigger risks with their most recent hires than UT has with this one, and have all been successfully improved.

We hired a proven D1 head coach, not a coordinator or a shaky head coach.

I'm not sure who you had in mind as UT's next head coach, but if you think we were getting a superstar, you are in fantasy land.

We got one of the most solid available coach's looking to move up in the cfb world. Nobody was going to make a lateral move to take this job this year.
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So let's just keep sucking until when?The moon turns orange?You optimistic sheep kill me!
 
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OHvol40 said:
If you would open your eyes, you would see that UF, A&M, Miss St, & Vandy have all taken the same, or even bigger risks with their most recent hires than UT has with this one, and have all been successfully improved.

We hired a proven D1 head coach, not a coordinator or a shaky head coach.

I'm not sure who you had in mind as UT's next head coach, but if you think we were getting a superstar, you are in fantasy land.

We got one of the most solid available coach's looking to move up in the cfb world. Nobody was going to make a lateral move to take this job this year.
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Oh I forgot, we are striving to get to the level of MS State and Vandy. While I'll agree on Florida hiring a coordinator, a monkey can recruit to Florida. Plus I would argue the while Muschamp was a coordinator, he had better name recognition than Butch Jones. As to Sumlin, he resides in the fertile recruiting grounds of Texas. We needed a more proven head coach with more star power. Recruiting is the life blood of the program and I'll believe he can bring in the recruits when I see it. If he can't recruit, he'll leave here in three years a rich man and we'll be left to trying to find us another coach to resurrect this once proud program. Many thought we couldn't afford a big time coach. It was my contention we couldn't afford not to.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Oh I forgot, we are striving to get to the level of MS State and Vandy. While I'll agree on Florida hiring a coordinator, a monkey can recruit to Florida. Plus I would argue the while Muschamp was a coordinator, he had better name recognition than Butch Jones. As to Sumlin, he resides in the fertile recruiting grounds of Texas. We needed a more proven head coach with more star power. Recruiting is the life blood of the program and I'll believe he can bring in the recruits when I see it. If he can't recruit, he'll leave here in three years a rich man and we'll be left to trying to find us another coach to resurrect this once proud program. Many thought we couldn't afford a big time coach. It was my contention we couldn't afford not to.
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Agree. While coaching ability can get us back to beating the Vandy's and MS State's of the SEC, we are not going to be able to compete with the FL, Bama, and Georgia's of the SEC with 3 star recruits.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Oh I forgot, we are striving to get to the level of MS State and Vandy. While I'll agree on Florida hiring a coordinator, a monkey can recruit to Florida. Plus I would argue the while Muschamp was a coordinator, he had better name recognition than Butch Jones. As to Sumlin, he resides in the fertile recruiting grounds of Texas. We needed a more proven head coach with more star power. Recruiting is the life blood of the program and I'll believe he can bring in the recruits when I see it. If he can't recruit, he'll leave here in three years a rich man and we'll be left to trying to find us another coach to resurrect this once proud program. Many thought we couldn't afford a big time coach. It was my contention we couldn't afford not to.
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You forgot to include who you thought we were going to get to walk through those Stokely Center doors that would be more proven than CBJ.
Personally I would have liked to see Tressel, but I understand the objection to his show cause.
That said, we should be happy with this solid hire (the best new hire in the country IMO) and give the man a chance to coach a frigin practice before we decide he is a failure.
 
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Were fine, guys- grudenites too. This isnt the first time Grude has flirted with a job that didnt work out (for whatever reason) so we all knew it was never "done" until it was official. We DID get a solid coach with an impressive resume, though. Lets move on...GBO!
 
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When you have a Gruver, Grud-on, and your Grudometer is stuck it's hard to "just get over it."

Give the OG's a chance to come back down to earth. They've been on Mars for about a month now.
 
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