A Succinct Brief on the NCAA Woes.

[Mccage]

I heard somewhere that Brock Purdy is making the rookie minimal , around $900K a year. How did we get to a place where a freshman college QB can make more than the starting qb playing in the Superbowl ?

NIL has absolutely nothing to do with salary’s. Purdy can make as much as he can in NIL.

 

[Sudden Impact]

You are not the only one
I assure you. Getting kind of
Depressing to be honest about it.

It is just moving forward in this day and time.
The NCAA needs to be gone and a new organization formed to govern this whole mess.
The NCAA never adjusted to the change and continued to play favorites and had their whipping boys.
The couldn't even really punish any schools on violations and never addressed issues at Kansas, Michigan, Alabama, LSU.
It was a bias organization.
So you have a choice the NCAA gone or stays. Regardless it will never be the same.

 

[Revengevol]

I hope the NCAA stays with more stringent guidelines on NIL and the transfer portal. I can’t stand this out of hand Wild Wild West in college sports. Like someone said when the NFL starting QB in the Super Bowl is making less than a large number of starting QBs in college….there is just something wrong. Those that can’t see that just have an agenda.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I hope the NCAA stays with more stringent guidelines on NIL and the transfer portal. I can’t stand this out of hand Wild Wild West in college sports. Like someone said when the NFL starting QB in the Super Bowl is making less than a large number of starting QBs in college….there is just something wrong. Those that can’t see that just have an agenda.

I don't disagree with you but we have no idea what some of these NFL QB are receiving in NIL like $$$$ through endorsements. Salaries yes but NIL or endorsements are two different animals. The Minister of Defense and Campbells suit.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I hope the NCAA stays with more stringent guidelines on NIL and the transfer portal. I can’t stand this out of hand Wild Wild West in college sports. Like someone said when the NFL starting QB in the Super Bowl is making less than a large number of starting QBs in college….there is just something wrong. Those that can’t see that just have an agenda.

What part of NCAA interference in NIL is illegal under federal law es sues you?
What part of the NCAA's previous transfer rules got shot down in the WVU case did you miss?

Why do you like the NCAA's illegal behavior and want more of it?

College athletes don't make anything in salary, so the Super Bowl thing is a false equivalence. If s college athlete can get more endorsement money than a NFL player, good for him or her.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

The NCAA cannot continue as is, folks have had enough. We need a governing body, a new one. The ones in control had ample time to act on the NIL and stood by idle and vague with any real rules till after the fact. I am sick and tired of hearing the few act like the NCAA is a do no wrong bastion of integrity. They are far from that at this point. GBO

 

[Sudden Impact]

If anything NIL helps the player paying his injury insurance policy premiums.

 

[cgrish]

If anything NIL helps the player paying his injury insurance policy premiums.

Do the players pay for injury insurance?

 

[DrTNT]

Do the players pay for injury insurance?

I remember during his time here, Peyton took out insurance for the event of an injury; he (his family) had to pay for this coverage out of pocket.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I remember during his time here, Peyton took out insurance for the event of an injury; he (his family) had to pay for this coverage out of pocket.

The schools have to cover the medical costs for any injuries the athlete has in practice, workouts, travel, or games.

The insurance the Mannings got for Peyton wasn't for medical care costs. It was to insure that he would have plenty of money if he was injured and couldn't play in the NFL.

 

[loservol]

I hope the NCAA stays with more stringent guidelines on NIL and the transfer portal. I can’t stand this out of hand Wild Wild West in college sports. Like someone said when the NFL starting QB in the Super Bowl is making less than a large number of starting QBs in college….there is just something wrong. Those that can’t see that just have an agenda.

You do know that if the NCAA wins this, TN is going to get the death penalty for doing what everyone else is getting away with in college FB?

 

[Sudden Impact]

The schools have to cover the medical costs for any injuries the athlete has in practice, workouts, travel, or games.

The insurance the Mannings got for Peyton wasn't for medical care costs. It was to insure that he would have plenty of money if he was injured and couldn't play in the NFL.

that is basically what I was referring to as well.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

That's a textbook anticompetitive business practice.

You're telling all the schools: we need to make sure none of you guys are too good at this. You even say this directly: "to make sure it cannot be overdone."

Can a city stipulate that no business in their town can make more than $1M / yr "so no one overdoes it?" It's illegal.

I'm sorry you hate the American system where cleverness, efficiency, and yes .... capital are good things.

There's a few reasons it's called capitalism.

Salary caps in every pro league beg to differ! Roster limits in every pro and college sport also! We also have monopoly prevention in the business world. Influence peddling is not warmly welcomed either. You are way overplaying and misplaying the AMERICAN WAY card. Managing and balancing, rather than fighting NIL will be the move after they give up the fight to eliminate or limit it.

 

[Sudden Impact]

You do know that if the NCAA wins this, TN is going to get the death penalty for doing what everyone else is getting away with in college FB?

I am not so sure about that because it is Rampant. I don't think the NCAA is going to win this anyway with Antitrust laws in the picture, no guidance and rule changes in play. Add to it State Law can sometimes get an Appeal over Federal Law.

Furthermore, it depends on Congress and they are not touching it. There are too many other issues to deal with than NCAA Athletics. Chances are they would not get it right anyway.

At this moment, The NCAA is like a dead boat in the water with no Compass.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Salary caps in every pro league beg to differ! Roster limits in every pro and college sport also! We also have monopoly prevention in the business world. Influence peddling is not warmly welcomed either. You are way overplaying and misplaying the AMERICAN WAY card. Managing and balancing, rather than fighting NIL will be the move after they give up the fight to eliminate or limit it.

Agree. I truly believe that the NCAA wanted total power and control over NIL from a governance stance. Problems were they had no plan to do, no staffing to support, no firm rules in place and no reasoning to do so.

Instead of sitting down and working with the major conferences, the NCAA ran to Congress and SCOTUS first. Something a Child would do like running to momma thinking she is going to clear it up for them.

How stupid and greedy and inept display of how weak the NCAA is in Today's College world. In essence, they have exposed themselves and fired a Nuke that landed in their backyard and not the intended area they wanted.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Salary caps in every pro league beg to differ! Roster limits in every pro and college sport also! We also have monopoly prevention in the business world. Influence peddling is not warmly welcomed either. You are way overplaying and misplaying the AMERICAN WAY card. Managing and balancing, rather than fighting NIL will be the move after they give up the fight to eliminate or limit it.

What part of Antitrust Law Exemption are you just ignoring at this point.

NIL is not a salary, is not paid by the team, is not paid by the NCAA. It's private money. I'll promise you, the pro teams only limit "moral and embarrassment" issues for what players do with their NIL contracts. At this point, I'm certain you understand the difference and choose to ignore it.

That's fine. Continue to make yourself look ignorant of what NIL is vs salary. Carry on.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Salary caps in every pro league beg to differ! Roster limits in every pro and college sport also! We also have monopoly prevention in the business world. Influence peddling is not warmly welcomed either. You are way overplaying and misplaying the AMERICAN WAY card. Managing and balancing, rather than fighting NIL will be the move after they give up the fight to eliminate or limit it.

What part of college football not being a pro league escapes you? What part of there being zero college athlete salaries to cap did you miss? What part of NIL endorse wants not being salaries did you miss? What part of there being no legal caps on endorsement money other that what the market will bear did you miss?

Come on, man. Stop posting confused calls for illegal activity.

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

You do know that if the NCAA wins this, TN is going to get the death penalty for doing what everyone else is getting away with in college FB?

Never going to happen!

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

You do know that if the NCAA wins this, TN is going to get the death penalty for doing what everyone else is getting away with in college FB?

The NCAA isn't going to win. They've lost every major case about NIL, athlete benefits, and transfers. They have so many lawsuits stacked up against them that they don't even have enough lawyers to defend them all.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Agree. I truly believe that the NCAA wanted total power and control over NIL from a governance stance. Problems were they had no plan to do, no staffing to support, no firm rules in place and no reasoning to do so.

Instead of sitting down and working with the major conferences, the NCAA ran to Congress and SCOTUS first. Something a Child would do like running to momma thinking she is going to clear it up for them.

How stupid and greedy and inept display of how weak the NCAA is in Today's College world. In essence, they have exposed themselves and fired a Nuke that landed in their backyard and not the intended area they wanted.

NO professionalism was easier to oversee than valid money through professionalism. They tried to fight the old fight and lost and are now trying to pivot the no HS provisions since it would be easier to oversee impact on ONLY those moving through the portal to NEARLY EVERY player entering the college experience through signing days. Don't see a legal basis for that flying either. Having to keep NIL score on every player will be a job, but the only option left. Can't imagine a player getting NIL without a written document defining dollars and dates. It simply will have to be reported to the NCAA to know how many dollars and which season, by sport. Would make sense to apply the BEAR rule on schollies to NIL.... if you are on the football roster, water polo or golf money would count against the football cap. The only good news would be with legal ways to get money to players, under the table money would have even less wiggle room for serious slapping.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

NO professionalism was easier to oversee than valid money through professionalism. They tried to fight the old fight and lost and are now trying to pivot the no HS provisions since it would be easier to oversee impact on ONLY those moving through the portal to NEARLY EVERY player entering the college experience through signing days. Don't see a legal basis for that flying either. Having to keep NIL score on every player will be a job, but the only option left. Can't imagine a player getting NIL without a written document defining dollars and dates. It simply will have to be reported to the NCAA to know how many dollars and which season, by sport. Would make sense to apply the BEAR rule on schollies to NIL.... if you are on the football roster, water polo or golf money would count against the football cap. The only good news would be with legal ways to get money to players, under the table money would have even less wiggle room for serious slapping.

Dude, give it up. What you are advocating us flatly illegal, as several of us have repeatedly told you. The NCAA CANNOT interfere in a business agreement between two other private parties. There is no legal way to cap NIL. You have zero credibility on this issue.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

NO professionalism was easier to oversee than valid money through professionalism. They tried to fight the old fight and lost and are now trying to pivot the no HS provisions since it would be easier to oversee impact on ONLY those moving through the portal to NEARLY EVERY player entering the college experience through signing days. Don't see a legal basis for that flying either. Having to keep NIL score on every player will be a job, but the only option left. Can't imagine a player getting NIL without a written document defining dollars and dates. It simply will have to be reported to the NCAA to know how many dollars and which season, by sport. Would make sense to apply the BEAR rule on schollies to NIL.... if you are on the football roster, water polo or golf money would count against the football cap. The only good news would be with legal ways to get money to players, under the table money would have even less wiggle room for serious slapping.

"Having to keep NIL score on every player....."

PLEASE legally cite where you think the NCAA has the slightest right to keep score on NIL?

Are they paying it? No.
Are the teams paying it? No.

Your "we'll regulate the teams, not the players" gets the NCAA sued by the teams for anticompetitive practices, which YOU STATE is the reason you want to regulate it. "To keep rich teams from getting all the good players."

If you want to go that way, the teams are going to have to DIRECTLY give a salary to the players, then you can legally negotiate with the players for salaries, caps, free agency, etc.

The craziness you keep saying of the NCAA having "the right to maintain its business" doesn't let them interfere with a team's right to compete at their highest level.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I remember during his time here, Peyton took out insurance for the event of an injury; he (his family) had to pay for this coverage out of pocket.

Alabama insured Bryce Young with "loss of draft and future value" insurance so he wouldn't worry playing in the CFP. I believe they insured other high round draft picks also.

Do they have too? I think it's legally in the school's interest to insure them for the physical injuries BUT the loss of career value isn't included to the extent a pro athlete specifically needs usually.

Peyton had the potential, and lived up to it I believe, to make $100M+ just from the NFL. That's going to require something more than the usual "I broke my leg and lost wages" insurance.

 

[Sudden Impact]

The NCAA is a non-profit organization. Should they be classified as such? How much money does the NCAA make at the expense of its members? So they cannot cut into NIL and their profits go to Rent, staffing, Utilities and operating expenses. Where does the extra go? There profits should go to its members, correct or incorrect? Aren't players Members? Emmert saw the writing on the wall and got out. Now they are holding on by a thread.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The NCAA is a non-profit organization. Should they be classified as such? How much money does the NCAA make at the expense of its members? So they cannot cut into NIL and their profits go to Rent, staffing, Utilities and operating expenses. Where does the extra go? There profits should go to its members, correct or incorrect? Aren't players Members? Emmert saw the writing on the wall and got out. Now they are holding on by a thread.

Non profit means very little in the NCAA issues. UT is not for profit as are most, if not all, public schools.

The NCAA has been getting beat up legally because of their exploitive business practices.

They lost O'Bannon for making money letting a game use a player's likeness and not paying them for it. First, they had no right to use it and second they had no right to make money from it. Pretty straightforward.

They lost to Oklahoma and Georgia for TV rights because they wanted to make and control all the TV rights for their member schools. While it was a good thing and probably would've helped stop the ridiculous media rights contracts, the NCAA has no rights to the media contracts of schools.

They lost Alston because they wanted to control what a scholarship could provide, educationally, to athletes. They didn't want athletes receiving things like computers or iPads. What was really being decided was "why can the NCAA tell players they can't receive things other students CAN receive?" Like..... I dunno...... NIL.

They lost these lawsuits because the business model essentially isn't legal. The schools and NCAA make far, far, FAR more money from the player's labor than the scholarship provides in compensation. It's not legal to not pay your employees, even if you like to call them "student athletes" instead of employees.

You can't build and control a billion dollar business and have your primary labor source compensated by a valuable, but not that valuable (given the illegal payments and now NIL payments,) scholarship.

The NCAA had a good racket going. I liked it. I still like the football and March Madness but it's an illegal business model.