A Succinct Brief on the NCAA Woes.

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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Again, that's illegal. It's monopolistic collusion in the absence of paid, unionized athletes with a union contract that includes a salary cap.

And even then, you can't cap NIL for any athlete or group of athletes. That's a violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.
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How does the NFL get by with it? They for sure have TEAM caps.
 
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BristolVol said:
Why is so difficult to understand the difference between a salary and NIL?
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On top of that the schools can vote on and enter into agreements about dang near anything. They are not eligible for NIL and can’t be harmed by limitations on same. Those that don’t like it will probably be outvoted by 300 votes.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
How does the NFL get by with it? They for sure have TEAM caps.
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To clarify, NFL salary caps apply to the maximum team payroll. Patrick Mahomes can make whatever he agreed with to advertise his NIL for State Farm. Because the team doesn't pay his endorsement income, it doesn't affect the Chief's salary cap by even a penny.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
On top of that the schools can vote on and enter into agreements about dang near anything. They are not eligible for NIL and can’t be harmed by limitations on same. Those that don’t like it will probably be outvoted by 300 votes.
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Schools can also get sued for dang near anything.

States could make laws that NIL isn't legal like they had, then changed in most cases, even including HS students.

A state without NIL for college players COULD exist and have football the quality of AAA high school in college
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Schools can also get sued for dang near anything.

States could make laws that NIL isn't legal like they had, then changed in most cases, even including HS students.

A state without NIL for college players COULD exist and have football the quality of AAA high school in college
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Stop it. Nobody is playing the zero NIL for players card. Schools can vote to limit NIL for teams as long as cap space exists within the organization. Player would have to not get an offer in the NCAA to prove harm. Of course they could also vote to reduce schollies to 43 like the pros for any team using players with NIL, though not likely since they could still take players.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Stop it. Nobody is playing the zero NIL for players card. Schools can vote to limit NIL for teams as long as cap space exists within the organization. Player would have to not get an offer in the NCAA to prove harm. Of course they could also vote to reduce schollies to 43 like the pros for any team using players with NIL, though not likely since they could still take players.
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You just like seeing lawsuits, apparently. Limits on NIL are not happening.

I've repeatedly addressed that a player signs an NIL after you're under the cap and you've got nothing.

Dismiss the player? Lawsuit.
Ding the school for something they cannot legally control? Lawsuit.

You've got nothing but an impractical plan.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
You just like seeing lawsuits, apparently. Limits on NIL are not happening.

I've repeatedly addressed that a player signs an NIL after you're under the cap and you've got nothing.

Dismiss the player? Lawsuit.
Ding the school for something they cannot legally control? Lawsuit.

You've got nothing but an impractical plan.
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Read my lips NO LIMITS ON NIL to players. Caps on amount each team can have. Players are run off for scholly cap space all the time. Why would NIL be different. Without a NIL CAP would a player have protection because he had an NIL deal? Think not. THE assumption would have to be his value is the same and he gets it from the collective anyway OR THERE WOULD BE A LAWSUIT. The risk is on the collectives.

You don’t have to declare why anymore than a player entering the portal does in our new portal world.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Read my lips NO LIMITS ON NIL to players. Caps on amount each team can have. Players are run off for scholly cap space all the time. Why would NIL be different. Without a NIL CAP would a player have protection because he had an NIL deal? Think not. THE assumption would have to be his value is the same and he gets it from the collective anyway OR THERE WOULD BE A LAWSUIT. The risk is on the collectives.

You don’t have to declare why anymore than a player entering the portal does in our new portal world.
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Yes. Dismissing a player on the team BECAUSE they got an NIL deal IS a lawsuit.

Try it and see. You're essentially telling a player, if you make too much money elsewhere, you cannot work for us.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Yes. Dismissing a player on the team BECAUSE they got an NIL deal IS a lawsuit.

Try it and see. You're essentially telling a player, if you make too much money elsewhere, you cannot work for us.
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The NCAA will gladly allow him to keep his money from the collective and play on any other team he can latch onto. Just like when they are processed to regain a counter. He still gets his money. What is his provable damage? Feelings getting hurt won’t cut it.

The team is reclaiming a scholly not the money.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
The NCAA will gladly allow him to keep his money from the collective and play on any other team he can latch onto. Just like when they are processed to regain a counter. He still gets his money. What is his provable damage? Feelings getting hurt won’t cut it.
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What you're missing is that you're restraining competition. Antitrust by facilitating anticompetitive behavior, that is, trying to tilt the board so a team cannot build their best team.

It's exactly an Antitrust lawsuit waiting to happen. The ONLY reason you'd want to regulate NIL is to "even things up for the teams." Without an Antitrust Exemption, you can't do that.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Collective bargaining isn't 100% of the picture.
A salary cap is in the offing with athletes as employees - possibly with equal pay for all team members. That wouldn't affect NIL at all, though.
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The problem with that is others are going to out pay you if you do that then you’re out of the game.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
What you're missing is that you're restraining competition. Antitrust by facilitating anticompetitive behavior, that is, trying to tilt the board so a team cannot build their best team.

It's exactly an Antitrust lawsuit waiting to happen. The ONLY reason you'd want to regulate NIL is to "even things up for the teams." Without an Antitrust Exemption, you can't do that.
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How do we get by with scholly limits? Official visits not limited for players but is for schools, sounds a bit familiar. Schools are only limiting themselves, not the players ability to earn money. GIT SHIRTS as some on here like to identify them with a take your money with you twist. School not costing them a dime. Live up to your agreement from outside and get paid.

Bear in mind schools might process another player or group of players with NIL to meet cap. Any and all can land elsewhere and unless there are other real causes will get offered by schools with cap room. Business decisions by all sides. Just another rule to comply with if added now that NIL is permanently in place.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
How do we get by with scholly limits? Official visits not limited for players but is for schools, sounds a bit familiar. Schools are only limiting themselves, not the players ability to earn money. GIT SHIRTS as some on here like to identify them with a take your money with you twist. School not costing them a dime. Live up to your agreement from outside and get paid.

Bear in mind schools might process another player or group of players with NIL to meet cap. Any and all can land elsewhere and unless there are other real causes will get offered by schools with cap room. Business decisions by all sides. Just another rule to comply with if added now that NIL is permanently in place.
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Those are ALL things actually under school control and thereby NCAA control.

NIL is a private matter. You have no more right to use that than you do say the basketball team can know have XXX total height to even things up.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Those are ALL things actually under school control and thereby NCAA control.

NIL is a private matter. You have no more right to use that than you do say the basketball team can know have XXX total height to even things up.
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NOPE.... NIL is money. Money is the root of all evil. Like influencing players to go to a school to play even if they are ugly, anti-social and no one would like to see them in advertising or show up for a meet and greet. He does happen to run a 4.3 forty. You cannot police it, but you can quantify it and make sure it cannot be over done by a few schools with collectives with deep pockets. So you cap it for each school. Not rocket science.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
NOPE.... NIL is money. Money is the root of all evil. Like influencing players to go to a school to play even if they are ugly, anti-social and no one would like to see them in advertising or show up for a meet and greet. He does happen to run a 4.3 forty. You cannot police it, but you can quantify it and make sure it cannot be over done by a few schools with collectives with deep pockets. So you cap it for each school. Not rocket science.
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Cap it? So the boosters of those schools can make under the table payments to the recruits they want..you didn’t think that through did you?
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
NOPE.... NIL is money. Money is the root of all evil. Like influencing players to go to a school to play even if they are ugly, anti-social and no one would like to see them in advertising or show up for a meet and greet. He does happen to run a 4.3 forty. You cannot police it, but you can quantify it and make sure it cannot be over done by a few schools with collectives with deep pockets. So you cap it for each school. Not rocket science.
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That's a textbook anticompetitive business practice.

You're telling all the schools: we need to make sure none of you guys are too good at this. You even say this directly: "to make sure it cannot be overdone."

Can a city stipulate that no business in their town can make more than $1M / yr "so no one overdoes it?" It's illegal.

I'm sorry you hate the American system where cleverness, efficiency, and yes .... capital are good things.

There's a few reasons it's called capitalism.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
NOPE.... NIL is money. Money is the root of all evil. Like influencing players to go to a school to play even if they are ugly, anti-social and no one would like to see them in advertising or show up for a meet and greet. He does happen to run a 4.3 forty. You cannot police it, but you can quantify it and make sure it cannot be over done by a few schools with collectives with deep pockets. So you cap it for each school. Not rocket science.
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The actual quote is "For the LOVE of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows". Timothy 6:20 (emphasis supplied)

And again, ANY cap on NIL is a violation of the federal Sherman Antitrust Act.
 
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goooooovols said:
How does the nfl use a salary cap in the same way… at some point to create fairness aren’t we going to have to have some sort of salary cap
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In pro sports the salary cap is about just that salaries. They have nothing to do with player endorsements outside the game which is exactly what NIL is, a players likeness, personal promotion, etc etc etc.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
The NCAA will gladly allow him to keep his money from the collective and play on any other team he can latch onto. Just like when they are processed to regain a counter. He still gets his money. What is his provable damage? Feelings getting hurt won’t cut it.

The team is reclaiming a scholly not the money.
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The paying organization can contract with the player to protect themselves any number of ways. One example could be if Mom's Cookie Hut in Crossville contracts for NIL with a Tennessee Tech player the contract could be structured to where entry into the portal would automatically breech the contract. Mom doesn't want to pay for that player collecting her money while playing in Knoxville for UT where she has not a single shop.
 
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Remy said:
The paying organization can contract with the player to protect themselves any number of ways. One example could be if Mom's Cookie Hut in Crossville contracts for NIL with a Tennessee Tech player the contract could be structured to where entry into the portal would automatically breech the contract. Mom doesn't want to pay for that player collecting her money while playing in Knoxville for UT where she has not a single shop.
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I live in this area and I am looking for this cookie shop, I want to taste those cookies!!
 
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