A vote for Huckabee...

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Rasputin_Vol said:
He shares their values on social issues, but the fiscal conservatives in the party can't stand him or McCain. Romney "appeases" the fiscal wing (and I chose to use the word "appeases" carefully because he doesn't remind anyone of Steve Forbes), but is weak on the border issue.
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The border issue is a non-issue. Everyone knows that there will be a lot of talk but in the end the status quo will remain in regard to immigration. The GOP will not stop the flow because that would hurt big business. Basically, immigration is to this campaign what abortion has been to every other campaign since 1973. Nothing is changing, folks.
 
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therealUT said:
The border issue is a non-issue. Everyone knows that there will be a lot of talk but in the end the status quo will remain in regard to immigration. The GOP will not stop the flow because that would hurt big business. Basically, immigration is to this campaign what abortion has been to every other campaign since 1973. Nothing is changing, folks.
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Sadly, you are 100% correct.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He shares their values on social issues, but the fiscal conservatives in the party can't stand him or McCain. Romney "appeases" the fiscal wing (and I chose to use the word "appeases" carefully because he doesn't remind anyone of Steve Forbes), but is weak on the border issue.
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That analysis is a little scary . . . because that was exactly my rationale for voting Romney yesterday.:ermm:
 
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GAVol said:
That analysis is a little scary . . . because that was exactly my rationale for voting Romney yesterday.:ermm:
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Essentially, that is a choice between the lesser of three evils. (really two if you consider that Huck and McCain are joined at the hip). This is what you are left with... a watered down conservative that is actually to the left of W (which is even hard to believe considering Bush spent more and expanded the scope of gov't more than Bill Clinton) in Mitt Romney. Romney won't even get the nomination, but even if he did manage to, he would lose in spectacular fashion to Hitlery or Obama. The social conservatives would stay home if Romney is the GOP candidate and the independents that McCain had would more than likely float over to the Dems.

This has clusterf&&k written all over it for the GOP. When you have Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter and Tancredo losing out to RINO's like a Mass. republican, a cross-dressing NYC mayor, a big gov't southern governor, and a member of the Keating 5 and author of McCain Feingold, the party is in disarray and has lost all it's core conservative principles.

The only thing most GOP'ers care about right now is beating Hillary and the principles be damned.

Oh well... universal health care is coming, so it may not be all bad.
 
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MG1968 said:
there's obviously back room dealing going on, just look at what happened in WV.
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Case and point that some people in this country have absolutely NO idea what they're doing when it comes to the political process. Huckabee winning West Virginia is comical.
 
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#33
give me a canidate that will oppose abortion and homosexuality and i'll vote for him over someone promising to cut taxes anyday..
 
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#35
i'm dead serious...when it is explained why it's ok that this country kills millions of innocent lives each year and it's ok...then i'll reconsider...but no one can explain that. this country will be judged for that one day so as long as i live, i will never vote for someone that supports abortion....thats my stand.
 
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vader said:
If you are serious, you are the bizarro me.
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add me in there too. People who want to control other people's personal lives just confuse me. I have enough to deal with just keeping myself together :p
 
#38
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utvolpj said:
add me in there too. People who want to control other people's personal lives just confuse me. I have enough to deal with just keeping myself together :p
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i'm with ya PJ. While I don't condone abortion at all, I don't understand how someone can make that decision for someone. As a Christian I know anyone that has an abortion will have their day of judgment, but it's not my place to judge them.
 
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volfanbill said:
i'm with ya PJ. While I don't condone abortion at all, I don't understand how someone can make that decision for someone. As a Christian I know anyone that has an abortion will have their day of judgment, but it's not my place to judge them.
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i hope you don't think i am judging people who have an abortion but God is the giver of life and it's certianly not our right to take it...one day i believe we all be judged...our nation has killed more innocent babies that hitler killed jews....but yet we say it's ok....something is not right there
 
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I40VOL said:
i hope you don't think i am judging people who have an abortion but God is the giver of life and it's certianly not our right to take it...one day i believe we all be judged...our nation has killed more innocent babies that hitler killed jews....but yet we say it's ok....something is not right there
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maybe you're not judging but you want to impose your religious beliefs on others through laws. Many people do not believe the same so why should they be subject to religious law? If you truly believe god will be the judge then why not leave it to him?
 
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utvolpj said:
maybe you're not judging but you want to impose your religious beliefs on others through laws. Many people do not believe the same so why should they be subject to religious law? If you truly believe god will be the judge then why not leave it to him?
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because PJ as a christian i have to stand for what i believe...and that is pro-life
 
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I40VOL said:
because PJ as a christian i have to stand for what i believe...and that is pro-life
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But as a christian you can't force others to follow you. They have to choose that. You can't be the one making decisions for them.
 
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volfanbill said:
But as a christian you can't force others to follow you. They have to choose that. You can't be the one making decisions for them.
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Christian overzealous "crusades" to convert the masses is the biggest mistake in the history of Christianity. Today's loons are no different than the Crusaders of old.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Christian overzealous "crusades" to convert the masses is the biggest mistake in the history of Christianity. Today's loons are no different than the Crusaders of old.
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i'm not calling I40 a loon, but there are way too many loons out there that give Christians like me a bad name. I know what I believe and I stand for that, but I also know I can't force others to follow me. I have to lead them to follow me and my ideals. I can tell someone they shouldn't have an abortion, but I have no right to tell them they can't.

It is my opinion however that those who choose to have an abortion will definitely have some explaining to do when they meet St. Peter at the gates of Heaven. Of course, none of us are free from sin and we will all have some explaining to do.
 
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volfanbill said:
i'm not calling I40 a loon, but there are way too many loons out there that give Christians like me a bad name. I know what I believe and I stand for that, but I also know I can't force others to follow me. I have to lead them to follow me and my ideals. I can tell someone they shouldn't have an abortion, but I have no right to tell them they can't.

It is my opinion however that those who choose to have an abortion will definitely have some explaining to do when they meet St. Peter at the gates of Heaven. Of course, none of us are free from sin and we will all have some explaining to do.
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I'm not calling him a loon either. I'm saying the self-righteous windbags who cannot wait to condemn and proclaim their mission as the great commission just make it hard to stop the rampant cynicism that meets any religious conversation today.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm not calling him a loon either. I'm saying the self-righteous windbags who cannot wait to condemn and proclaim their mission as the great commission just make it hard to stop the rampant cynicism that meets any religious conversation today.
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i hate to bring up a very old debate, but the stereotype of Christians is a prime example that stereotyping is running rampant through our country, if not the world. a few bad eggs ruin it for everyone.
 
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volfanbill said:
But as a christian you can't force others to follow you. They have to choose that. You can't be the one making decisions for them.
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your right...but i can pray that they change there mind and vote for a canidate that feels the same as i do
 
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I40VOL said:
your right...but i can pray that they change there mind and vote for a canidate that feels the same as i do
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that's fine. But if you're voting your candidate in for a reason that is never going to be settled in Congress instead of focusing on the needs of our country right now, it could be a dangerous election.
 
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volfanbill said:
that's fine. But if you're voting your candidate in for a reason that is never going to be settled in Congress instead of focusing on the needs of our country right now, it could be a dangerous election.
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but if i vote for someone that believes different than i do then as a christian, i have gone against everything i believe and when i stand before the Holy God, that will not be something i have to answer for
 
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I40VOL said:
but if i vote for someone that believes different than i do then as a christian, i have gone against everything i believe and when i stand before the Holy God, that will not be something i have to answer for
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wow. has a very Liberty University feel to it.
 
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