A vote for Huckabee...

#51
#51
I40VOL said:
but if i vote for someone that believes different than i do then as a christian, i have gone against everything i believe and when i stand before the Holy God, that will not be something i have to answer for
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If you can find me one candidate that is completely by the Bible, I want to know him. They all have their faults. Bush is anti-abortion, yet he's fine with going out and killing thousands of people for supposed WMDs. how is that the christian thing to do?
 
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volfanbill said:
If you can find me one candidate that is completely by the Bible, I want to know him. They all have their faults. Bush is anti-abortion, yet he's fine with going out and killing thousands of people for supposed WMDs. how is that the christian thing to do?
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God told him to do it.
 
#54
#54
volfanbill said:
If you can find me one candidate that is completely by the Bible, I want to know him. They all have their faults. Bush is anti-abortion, yet he's fine with going out and killing thousands of people for supposed WMDs. how is that the christian thing to do?
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can't explain that about the war, but one thing i know , i have a brother in law that just returned about 6 months ago and he says we are needed there and it was the right decision...so the US military has my full support
 
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I40VOL said:
can't explain that about the war, but one thing i know , i have a brother in law that just returned about 6 months ago and he says we are needed there and it was the right decision...so the US military has my full support
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according to God though it shouldn't be done through violence. That's my point. You're contradicting yourself
 
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volfanbill said:
according to God though it shouldn't be done through violence. That's my point. You're contradicting yourself
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God himself wiped out complete armies ...he's the same God today as he was then..not sure how i contradicted myself..the Bible says there will be wars and rumors of war
 
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I40VOL said:
God himself wiped out complete armies ...he's the same God today as he was then..not sure how i contradicted myself..the Bible says there will be wars and rumors of war
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God has that right. We don't.

and BPV, accepting war violence as acceptable by Christian standards definitely elevates this to a Regent University feel.
 
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volfanbill said:
God has that right. We don't.
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ok just want to touch on one thing again...If God had that right, then why do we have the right to kill innocent babies...thats not violence? when we have doctors go in and suck the brains out of an unborn child...seems like you might have contradicted yourself...God is the giver and taker of life ...HE has that right
 
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I40VOL said:
ok just want to touch on one thing again...If God had that right, then why do we have the right to kill innocent babies...thats not violence? when we have doctors go in and suck the brains out of an unborn child...seems like you might have contradicted yourself...God is the giver and taker of life ...HE has that right
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again, that's your belief. Trying to force it on people does not work.
 
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I40VOL said:
ok just want to touch on one thing again...If God had that right, then why do we have the right to kill innocent babies...thats not violence? when we have doctors go in and suck the brains out of an unborn child...seems like you might have contradicted yourself...God is the giver and taker of life just as...HE has that right
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i never contradicted myself. I made the point that I have yet to meet one political candidate that made every decision based on Biblical theories. I have clearly stated I am against abortion. But I can't tell others they can't have one. I also don't understand how killing thousands of innocent civilians and destroying a country due to a war because of WMDs is acceptable by Christian standards either. I agree that getting rid of Saddam Hussein was a much needed move. However, can you really say it was done in the Christian way?
 
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utvolpj said:
again, that's your belief. Trying to force it on people does not work.
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PJ i am not trying to force that on anyone..but i am not going to sit here and just stay quite about what i believe...i doubt your sitting there thinking that i have forced anything on you
 
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volfanbill said:
i never contradicted myself. I made the point that I have yet to meet one political candidate that made every decision based on Biblical theories. I have clearly stated I am against abortion. But I can't tell others they can't have one. I also don't understand how killing thousands of innocent civilians and destroying a country due to a war because of WMDs is acceptable by Christian standards either. I agree that getting rid of Saddam Hussein was a much needed move. However, can you really say it was done in the Christian way?
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tell me how you can have a war in a christian way, war is violent, ugly, savage...but you have to agree that if we don't fight them over there, they will be over here.
 
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I40VOL said:
tell me how you can have a war in a christian way, war is violent, ugly, savage...but you have to agree that if we don't fight them over there, they will be over here.
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how is not murder though? the same as abortion?
 
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I40VOL said:
tell me how you can have a war in a christian way, war is violent, ugly, savage...but you have to agree that if we don't fight them over there, they will be over here.
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guess it was pre-Christian, but the early Israelis wiped out the Canaanites in a calculated fashion, all ordained by God. I guess it can be done to the satisfaction of the Creator.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
guess it was pre-Christian, but the early Israelis wiped out the Canaanites in a calculated fashion, all ordained by God. I guess it can be done to the satisfaction of the Creator.
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exactly. If it was truly God's will to invoke a war, the Creator would protect those not involved. I can't imagine a scenario where you could convince me this is how God would want it.
 
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I will say that Christianity is the one religion people feel like they can criticise without being frowned upon. I challenge any one of you that are saying these things about Christianity to get on tv and say the same about Muslims. If you do it, watch the **** storm that ensues.
 
#68
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volfanbill said:
how is not murder though? the same as abortion?
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it is murder, many innocent people have died, but those people hate us for what we have...i hate the fact that innocent people are getting killed..but one thing's for sure, children being killed over here will never have the chance to run up to an American soldier like my brother in law and say we love you and thank you....ok can we just agree that we all love TENNESSEE FOOTBALL?
 
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I40VOL said:
PJ i am not trying to force that on anyone..but i am not going to sit here and just stay quite about what i believe...i doubt your sitting there thinking that i have forced anything on you
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you are doing it by saying you will only support a candidate that will legislate it. You just aren't getting your own hands dirty.

The fact that abortion and homosexuality are even campaign issue just shows how sad US politics has become.
 
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volsforever27 said:
I will say that Christianity is the one religion people feel like they can criticise without being frowned upon. I challenge any one of you that are saying these things about Christianity to get on tv and say the same about Muslims. If you do it, watch the **** storm that ensues.
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We're not bashing Christianity, just those modern Crusaders who believe the Great Commission is their license to judge everyone and everything very openly and loudly.

I'm arguing that said lot has done more to harm the kingdom than they could ever do to help it.
 
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utvolpj said:
The fact that abortion and homosexuality are even campaign issue just shows how sad US politics has become.
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I will never understand why people even bother letting the abortion or homosexuality issue affect their vote. Neither issue will ever be settled by the election of one candidate. It's just something that gains votes that ultimately has no relevance once the election is over.
 
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volsforever27 said:
I will say that Christianity is the one religion people feel like they can criticise without being frowned upon. I challenge any one of you that are saying these things about Christianity to get on tv and say the same about Muslims. If you do it, watch the **** storm that ensues.
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I'd say it about all organized religions but that's just me. I just can't seem to get my own TV show
 
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BigPapaVol said:
We're not bashing Christianity, just those modern Crusaders who believe the Great Commission is their license to judge everyone and everything very openly and loudly.

I'm arguing that said lot has done more to harm the kingdom than they could ever do to help it.
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I know what you're saying, I'm just saying it's always easy to dump on the Christians. Everyone needs to keep in mind that God didn't create religion, man did. I consider myself a Christian, but I don't force my beliefs on anybody.... I have no problem having a logical discussion about that, abortion etc. God doesn't want to make anyone follow him, he wants you to do it willingly (the whole free will thing). There will always be some who put a bad name on any religion (like those idiots who protest at soldier's funerals).
 
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utvolpj said:
you are doing it by saying you will only support a candidate that will legislate it. You just aren't getting your own hands dirty.

The fact that abortion and homosexuality are even campaign issue just shows how sad US politics has become.
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I strongly disagree but we can agree to disagree i suppose
 
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