Abortion debate (split from bball forum)

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#276
To throw the current state of the law into the debate. The states are allowed via Planned Parenthood v. Casey to regulate abortion at the time of viability. With the increases in science, the point of viability becomes sooner and sooner; thus, the point at which the state can regulate will become sooner and sooner in the process. I view the abortion debate today to be a way of simply changing the political discourse from substantive issues to emotional issues by whichever side is losing the substantive side of the debate. A woman's Constitutional right of choice is not going to be overturned; therefore, it's really a moot point other than to just discuss your personal views on the subject.
 
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#277
LawVol13 said:
To throw the current state of the law into the debate. The states are allowed via Planned Parenthood v. Casey to regulate abortion at the time of viability. With the increases in science, the point of viability becomes sooner and sooner; thus, the point at which the state can regulate will become sooner and sooner in the process. I view the abortion debate today to be a way of simply changing the political discourse from substantive issues to emotional issues by whichever side is losing the substantive side of the debate. A woman's Constitutional right of choice is not going to be overturned; therefore, it's really a moot point other than to just discuss your personal views on the subject.
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Solid.
 
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LawVol13 said:
To throw the current state of the law into the debate. The states are allowed via Planned Parenthood v. Casey to regulate abortion at the time of viability. With the increases in science, the point of viability becomes sooner and sooner; thus, the point at which the state can regulate will become sooner and sooner in the process.
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Did not know this, thanks for the info LV. A woman will always have the right to choose. Medicine will never improve to the point where there isn't some window.

Unless we get bacta tanks, or something equally science fiction.
 
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fl0at said:
I feel like he was saying, based on your logic, and seconded here, that god created the fetus, so that he could then destroy the fetus (because god allows us all to die).

Ergo, pointless act.

That is what I read. Maybe we read differently.
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God creates and God destroys whomever and whatever He so desires. But it is not pointless, God does these things for His own purpose. Now many people have the view that their is a heaven and a hell. Good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. That is not my view. There are no good people. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Sin simply means to fall short of what God designed. And God mades us to be sinners it is no accident that we are sinners. But God also made a way for our sin to be forgiven and that way is Jesus who is God in the flesh. Their is no hell where people will burn forever. There is no word in the bible that is correctly translated hell. The words are Gehena, a garbage dump, Hades which was for the abode of the dead i.e. the grave and Sheol which is the same as Hades The bible says that every knee will bow and every tounge will confess that Jesus is Lord. On that day everyone whose knee bows and who confesses Jesus is lord will enter the Kingdom of God. And that my friends will be everyone.
 
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fl0at said:
Did not know this, thanks for the info LV. A woman will always have the right to choose. Medicine will never improve to the point where there isn't some window.

Unless we get bacta tanks, or something equally science fiction.
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This would create a whole new sort of problem. Warehouses of unwanted children in storage.
 
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jerryvol44 said:
God creates and God destroys whomever and whatever He so desires. But it is not pointless, God does these things for His own purpose.
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Then I am glad you agree that this abortion, and all others, were part of His plan, and to interfere with His plan would be the work of the Dark One.

Therefore, welcome to the fold that supports a woman's right to choose.
 
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#285
IPorange said:
How many of the disciples were Jews? Who were many of the early churches composed of again?

I know many Jews very well. They're just people. Your statement above is silly and wreaks of some of desperation to explain why most Jews did not think Jesus was the Messiah at the time.
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Most Jews today are very secular and not religious at all. There are some today who are very religious and would die rather than be converted to Christianity. Paul certainly fell into that catagory. But that is only one small thing that I learned from the bible and these things did not give me my faith that came from God. But they strengthen my faith..
 
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#287
LawVol13 said:
To throw the current state of the law into the debate. The states are allowed via Planned Parenthood v. Casey to regulate abortion at the time of viability. With the increases in science, the point of viability becomes sooner and sooner; thus, the point at which the state can regulate will become sooner and sooner in the process. I view the abortion debate today to be a way of simply changing the political discourse from substantive issues to emotional issues by whichever side is losing the substantive side of the debate. A woman's Constitutional right of choice is not going to be overturned; therefore, it's really a moot point other than to just discuss your personal views on the subject.
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Good post and I think the head of the nail is that that is what we are doing just duscussing our own views
 
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#288
jerryvol44 said:
Their is no hell where people will burn forever. There is no word in the bible that is correctly translated hell. The words are Gehena, a garbage dump,
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Wrong.

Gehenna was a valley just outside of Jerusalem where non-Judaic tribes had traditionally burnt people alive as human sacrifices.
 
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therealUT said:
Wrong.

Gehenna was a valley just outside of Jerusalem where non-Judaic tribes had traditionally burnt people alive as human sacrifices.
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Yes, that is true and the Isrealites used it as a garbage dump. Garbage was burned there day and night thus Jesus could say where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die.
 
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jerryvol44 said:
Yes, that is true and the Isrealites used it as a garbage dump. Garbage was burned there day and night thus Jesus could say where the fire is not quenched and the worm does not die.
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So, you knew that and you still tried to state that the use of the word Gehenna refuted the notion that one will burn forever?

In that case, your problem is not ignorance it is integrity.
 
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#291
therealUT said:
If that's bad, you should see the toll that religion takes on family members.

I've known kids that grew up scarred for life, always afraid of some mythical, lightning spewing old guy in the clouds who likes to raze villages wholesale simple because a handful of homosexuals live there; these kids are terrified to step into NYC, as they surely don't want to be there when that modern day Gommorah is at the short end of the "wrath of god" stick.
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You hate God, Buddha, Jehovah, and those who believe in them.

We get it.
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#293
#293
therealUT said:
Grammatically, this does not make sense. Basically, you have made the following statement:

"I believe this through belief."

It is a nonsensical statement. It means nothing.
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How about he said, "I don't believe because I don't want to believe."?

Would that be more acceptable?

He can no more prove Gods existence than you can effectively and empirically disprove. Struggle all you like - but neither of you can be certain that you're right, or the other side is wrong.

But I'll assure you of this - the truth is neither predicated upon your desire to mock his beliefs nor in his inability to effectively defend them.
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#297
Tenacious D said:
How about he said, "I don't believe because I don't want to believe."?

Would that be more acceptable?
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No. It would still be nonsense. Belief is not an action; therefore, one's desire to believe in no way causes belief. On the other hand, one's desire to disbelieve in no way causes disbelief.
 
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therealUT said:
Incorrect. I've stated my views concerning deities and supernatural forces, already. Feel free to query it.
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I'm too busy stalking Bilo to query them.

Perhaps you could summarize?

I really think you've got this all figured out, and am eager for my education to begin.
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Tenacious D said:
I'm too busy stalking Bilo to query them.

Perhaps you could summarize?

I really think you've got this all figured out, and am eager for my education to begin.
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Perhaps you care to query. Your lack of effort is not my problem.
 
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