Abortion Rights

[apevol]

Fetus=living organism=small child. Potato potato.

I can't eat tiny little partially formed potatos.

 

[therealUT]

If unborn have no rights, why have people been charged with two counts of murder if a pregnant woman was killed?

Legal statutes.

 

[apevol]

Saying its easier to slap the death penalty on someone who kills a pregnant woman is not using logic.

I wasn't suggesting its logical.

 

[golfballs]

Why is abortion acceptable from a moral standpoint, but hunting for sport is not? When you boil it down - it’s ending the life of a living being. So I’m just curious to hear someone who hold this position to explain it.

 

[apevol]

Why is abortion acceptable from a moral standpoint, but hunting for sport is not? When you boil it down - it’s ending the life of a living being. So I’m just curious to hear someone who hold this position to explain it.

Have you ignored the last couple pages?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Legal statutes.

The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.

 

[apevol]

Its a bad analogy.

 

[CABVOL]

Legal statutes.

The problem I’ve always had with this is it’s legally ok to charge someone with two murders for killing a pregnant woman, but it’s ok to kill the unborn via abortion because the woman has that right legally. Am I the only one that views this as screwed up?

 

[golfballs]

Have you ignored the last couple pages?

I don’t see an actual explanation. Please explain

 

[therealUT]

The majority of states have fetal homicide laws.

Correct.

 

[Roustabout]

Well, if they aren't a person, then because they are not a person.

Do you think a newborn has the same moral rights as a thirty year old?

Whats the source and grounding of those moral rights. Where is the line between rights and personhood?

 

[Roustabout]

No, I am. I just think that the convenience of a person overrides the potential rights of a non-person.

Based on what? What reason would I have to consider your definition of personhood anything other than arbitrary?

 

[Roustabout]

You think I don't know? This is the same dude was arguing that Hitler was objectively good.

Don't forget the personal sovereignty so he can justify threesomes with his wife.

 

[apevol]

The problem I’ve always had with this is it’s legally ok to charge someone with two murders for killing a pregnant woman, but it’s ok to kill the unborn via abortion because the woman has that right legally. Am I the only one that views this as screwed up?

Why is it illegal to lasso a fish in whatever place?

 

[apevol]

I don’t see an actual explanation. Please explain

You seem to believe that you are arguing against animal rights activists who make a habit of killing babies.

 

[golfballs]

You seem to believe that you are arguing against animal rights activists who make a habit of killing babies.

How about you not make this about me and just explain the position

 

[apevol]

How about you not make this about me and just explain the position

I kind of already did.

I said..if a worthless junky doesn't kill a tiger, they're not gonna spend the next 18 years ****ing the tiger's life up.

 

[apevol]

If you want to ignore hunting endangered species..

Sport hunting is useful in culling populations and preventing overpopulation, and negative ecological impact. We have come to a point that we have to simulate apex predators, because we've often wiped them out.

 

[Roustabout]

Ape, your post was #666 in this thread.

 

[luthervol]

At what point does the unborn share equal rights with the born? At birth? Survive outside the womb? Heartbeat? Conception?

Roe v. Wade was the most brilliant decision ever. Solomon like.

 

[apevol]

Ape, your post was #666 in this thread.

I'm bad.

 

[CABVOL]

Roe v. Wade was the most brilliant decision ever. Solomon like.

Do you believe if someone kills a pregnant woman then that person should be charged with two counts of murder?

 

[Wafflestomper]

Exactly.

Exactly what?

Are concepts invalid without objective grounding?

If so, what's your objective grounding for such a concept?

 

[apevol]

Do you believe if someone kills a pregnant woman then that person should be charged with two counts of murder?

Do you believe if someone kills a woman they dont know is pregnant that they should be charged with two counts of murder?

 

[Roustabout]

Exactly what?

Are concepts invalid without objective grounding?

If so, what's your objective grounding for such a concept?

Are they?
Why is your concept right and mine wrong?