Abortion Rights

[Wafflestomper]

Provide an objective definition.

Is there such thing as an objective definition?

 

[Roustabout]

Is there such thing as an objective definition?

Apologies. Provide an objective grounding.

I don't hold to personhood and have stated that previously in this thread.

If someone says killing the unborn is OK because it is NOT a person then I want to know where they are grounding the definition.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Is abortion for sport a thing? Source of this poll?

Do you ever look behind the headlines?

So whether or not it is for 'sport' makes a difference?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So an adult cheating on another adult is far worse than the death of small child? Good freaking grief.

Death of a small child? Fetus=small child?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So whether or not it is for 'sport' makes a difference?

Sport is different than hunting to survive, no?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Sport is different than hunting to survive, no?

Well the discussion is killing. The motive is really irrelevant.

Oh, and fwiw, I am not a fan of sport hunting. Killing just for the sake of killing to me is abhorrent. Elephant trophy hunters have a special place in hell as far as I am concerned.

 

[apevol]

Well the discussion is killing. The motive is really irrelevant.

Oh, and fwiw, I am not a fan of sport hunting. Killing just for the sake of killing to me is abhorrent. Elephant trophy hunters have a special place in hell as far as I am concerned.

If a worthless ****ing junky doesn't kill a tiger, they aren't going to spend the next 18 years making the tiger's life a living nightmare.

 

[therealUT]

All fetus are potential persons, regardless of what you use to define person. Can you provide an objective definition of person?

As potential persons, I'm more than willing to grant them potential rights.

 

[therealUT]

Should human beings and persons having an equal right to live?

No

 

[therealUT]

So a newborn is not a person?

I don't believe so.

 

[Wafflestomper]

Apologies. Provide an objective grounding.

Personhood is a concept--I don't have an objective grounding.

 

[CABVOL]

No

Why would a newborn not have the same right to live as a person?

 

[Roustabout]

As potential persons, I'm more than willing to grant them potential rights.

No you're not. When you terminate the fetus you are terminating any future reality. This is the exact same thing you do when you terminate any born person.

 

[Roustabout]

Personhood is a concept--I don't have an objective grounding.

Exactly.

 

[therealUT]

Why would a newborn not have the same right to live as a person?

Well, if they aren't a person, then because they are not a person.

Do you think a newborn has the same moral rights as a thirty year old?

 

[Roustabout]

I don't believe so.

I already knew that, just wanted Ape to see it from your own key strokes.

 

[therealUT]

No you're not. When you terminate the fetus you are terminating any future reality. This is the exact same thing you do when you terminate any born person.

No, I am. I just think that the convenience of a person overrides the potential rights of a non-person.

 

[CABVOL]

Well, if they aren't a person, then because they are not a person.

Do you think a newborn has the same moral rights as a thirty year old?

I believe a newborn has the same right to life as a 30 year old.

 

[CABVOL]

If unborn have no rights, why have people been charged with two counts of murder if a pregnant woman was killed?

 

[apevol]

I already knew that, just wanted Ape to see it from your own key strokes.

You think I don't know? This is the same dude was arguing that Hitler was objectively good.

 

[apevol]

If unborn have no rights, why have people been charged with two counts of murder if a pregnant woman was killed?

Because its easier to slap the death penalty on someone who kills a pregnant woman.

 

[CABVOL]

Because its easier to slap the death penalty on someone who kills a pregnant woman.

But why if the unborn have no right to life? Shouldn’t the person only be charged with one count and not two?

 

[apevol]

But why if the unborn have no right to life? Shouldn’t the person only be charged with one count and not two?

You're arguing sentimental law. not logic.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Death of a small child? Fetus=small child?

Fetus=living organism=small child. Potato potato.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You're arguing sentimental law. not logic.

Saying its easier to slap the death penalty on someone who kills a pregnant woman is not using logic.