Abortion

[therealUT]

Tyranny was his word. I found it interesting that he used it in relation to states rights and then said the federal gov should attack those who think abortion should be illegal.

I never said this. I said it is fair game for the Federal Government to attack and usurp the statute.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I can keep up just find but I figured the part you were really interested in was the part you bolded. Silly assumption on my part I guess

I believe he said the Feds would go after things the state is trying to supersede. Is that not what you saw as "tyranny"?

I went and fixed it for you.


And what is a "Bolded"?
I'm dyslexic so I've got to be real careful when I post. This also makes me a huge fan of new words.

" When my 15yr old got suspended 2 weeks from football for flipping a bird at a teammate during a game he was bolded."

 

[utvolpj]

I went and fixed it for you.


And what is a "Bolded"?
I'm dyslexic so I've got to be real careful when I post. This also makes me a huge fan of new words.

" When my 15yr old got suspended 2 weeks from football for flipping a bird at a teammate during a game he was bolded."

if you were able to fix it then how did you not understand what the word meant?

 

[Orangeslice13]

I never said this. I said it is fair game for the Federal Government to attack and usurp the statute.

You did not say this either. you said attack and usurp.
I knew what you meant but also knowing your fondness for words I thought it would be fun to mess with you.
I was right, Its been fun so far.
You want to go to the other thread and discuss contradictions from the bible? I will let you pick the one we start with.

 

[Orangeslice13]

if you were able to fix it then how did you not understand what the word meant?

I fixed the Bolded part by adding some Bolding. I left the word Bolded alone. to be honest I like the word Bolded and will be using it in honer of you from now on. Also I cant think of a better way to phrase your original statement about the bolding.

 

[therealUT]

States' Rights do not supersede Individual Rights. This is why the Federal Government can intercede against State Legislation in order to protect the Individual against the tyranny of the State.

If the Federal Government holds that a fetus is not human life (i.e., does not have personhood), then any statute which restricts the right of an individual to do with their body as they please is fair game for the Federal Government to attack and usurp.

You did not say this either. you said attack and usurp.
I knew what you meant but also knowing your fondness for words I thought it would be fun to mess with you.
I was right, Its been fun so far.
You want to go to the other thread and discuss contradictions from the bible? I will let you pick the one we start with.

:hi:

 

[utvolpj]

I fixed the Bolded part by adding some Bolding. I left the word Bolded alone. to be honest I like the word Bolded and will be using it in honer of you from now on. Also I cant think of a better way to phrase your original statement about the bolding.

I appreciate the honer :hi:

 

[PKT_VOL]

If this life is the long and short of it all, then the morality of abortion is as meaningless as the morality of anything else.

Bump for my Bama Buddy. Somebody answer?
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Ask and you shall receive. OP (bama), what exactly is your question? I'd like some quick clarification.

When I read your question I break it down like this:

Hypothetical Situation:
Premise 1: There is no God.
Premise 2: Given 1; there is no afterlife.
Premise 3: Given 1: there is no ultimate judgement day.
Premise 4: Given 1,2,3; since there is no divine morality, human (finite) mortality (or shall I say our perception of human morality) is inconsequential

Are you suggesting that humans are incapable of developing any meaningful ethical or moral guidelines without help from the divine? Are atheists capable of morality? If they are, do you consider it meaningless because it isn't backed by eternal reward or damnation?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Ask and you shall receive. OP (bama), what exactly is your question? I'd like some quick clarification.

When I read your question I break it down like this:

Hypothetical Situation:
Premise 1: There is no God.
Premise 2: Given 1; there is no afterlife.
Premise 3: Given 1: there is no ultimate judgement day.
Premise 4: Given 1,2,3; since there is no divine morality, human (finite) mortality (or shall I say our perception of human morality) is inconsequential

Are you suggesting that humans are incapable of developing any meaningful ethical or moral guidelines without help from the divine? Are atheists capable of morality? If they are, do you consider it meaningless because it isn't backed by eternal reward or damnation?

Is this a shot at me my friend?

 

[PKT_VOL]

Is this a shot at me my friend?

Not at all. Not many people specifically ask for another poster's question to be answered. No one had answered the OP or your request. Thought it was an intriguing question and brought an interesting angle that has yet to be explored in this thread.

I apologize if it seemed like a call out towards you.

 

[Orangeslice13]

:hi:

Your statement does not define what is intended by attack and usurp. By legal action? by force? :hi:

 

[Orangeslice13]

Not at all. Not many people specifically ask for another poster's question to be answered. No one had answered the OP or your request. Thought it was an intriguing question and brought an interesting angle that has yet to be explored in this thread.

I apologize if it seemed like a call out towards you.

I though it might be a friendly throw back to our earlier conversation when I quoted "ask and ye shall receive" to you.

 

[PKT_VOL]

I though it might be a friendly throw back to our earlier conversation when I quoted "ask and ye shall receive" to you.

Ha. Definitely friendly. Still owe you an unrushed response in the other thread.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Ha. Definitely friendly. Still owe you an unrushed response in the other thread.

Take your time. I end up having to do research every time we post over there. I enjoy it because it gives me a mental vacation form the crap I have to deal with at work.

 

[rockyvols]

We voted on Amendment 26 yesterday here in MS. If passed it would mean that life begins at conception,and would rid abortion. Of course there are alot of other things thrown in there for yes and no. I feel many young girls voted no just so they wouldn't take away birth control, and day after pill. Im honestly tired of hearing about it.

My answers to the OP.

Life begins as soon as an egg is fertalized. So yes a fetus is human. Genesis 9:6, jeremiah 1:5, 1 corinthians 6:12-13 are just a few.

Abortion is murder

No, because its still an innocent life your taking.

Btw the amendment didnt pass
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[utvolpj]

We voted on Amendment 26 yesterday here in MS. If passed it would mean that life begins at conception,and would rid abortion. Of course there are alot of other things thrown in there for yes and no. I feel many young girls voted no just so they wouldn't take away birth control, and day after pill. Im honestly tired of hearing about it.

My answers to the OP.

Life begins as soon as an egg is fertalized. So yes a fetus is human. Genesis 9:6, jeremiah 1:5, 1 corinthians 6:12-13 are just a few.

Abortion is murder

No, because its still an innocent life your taking.

Btw the amendment didnt pass
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if I may ask, which way did you vote (no problem if you don't want to answer)? Are you ok with taking away access to certain types of birth control?

 

[Vols520]

Do you think a fetus is a human?

Do you think abortion is murder?

If a 12 year old became pregnant after being raped by her step-father, would you be okay with her having an abortion?

I dont understand why people care so much about abortion. I disagree w it, but as long as its not one of those late term abortions it should be the chicks choice.

Although I would prefer just having baby and giving it up for adoption if possible.
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[rockyvols]

if I may ask, which way did you vote (no problem if you don't want to answer)? Are you ok with taking away access to certain types of birth control?

I voted yes. Im fine with that, but what people dont understand in voting yes would not ban all birth control.

Most girls want to be protected, which I can understand, and voting yes would not protect. They wont to have the choice to be able to have an abortion if raped, which I can also understand. I voted yes because this Amendments sole purpose is the "Defining of a person", and I believe life starts at conception.
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[utvolpj]

I voted yes. Im fine with that, but what people dont understand in voting yes would not ban all birth control.

Most girls want to be protected, which I can understand, and voting yes would not protect. They wont to have the choice to be able to have an abortion if raped, which I can also understand. I voted yes because this Amendments sole purpose is the "Defining of a person", and I believe life starts at conception.
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does it not ban all birth control that is completely a controlled by the woman? I just feel that in your desire to "define a person" you would have allowed the gov't to take way too much control over other people's lives

and this isn't just about girls

 

[rockyvols]

does it not ban all birth control that is completely a controlled by the woman? I just feel that in your desire to "define a person" you would have allowed the gov't to take way too much control over other people's lives

and this isn't just about girls

From what I read it was not gonna ban all BC, but would ban Day after pill. The govt gonna have the last say anyways and I feel our new gov. Will take this and we will be voting again. Im just tired of hearing about it everywhere lol. All I can say is I voted yes for life other people may have voted for other reasons
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[therealUT]

From what I read it was not gonna ban all BC, but would ban Day after pill. The govt gonna have the last say anyways and I feel our new gov. Will take this and we will be voting again. Im just tired of hearing about it everywhere lol. All I can say is I voted yes for life other people may have voted for other reasons
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RV, what are your thoughts on Baptism and Salvation?

 

[bamawriter]

Are you suggesting that humans are incapable of developing any meaningful ethical or moral guidelines without help from the divine?

Of course humans are capable of such. If there is no God, then humans clearly have developed various moral codes throughout history. However, most of those moral codes were established by what was believed to be divine mandate.

Are atheists capable of morality?

Sure

If they are, do you consider it meaningless because it isn't backed by eternal reward or damnation?

There is the issue. It really doesn't matter what belief it is that inspires morality, only that it does so. I'm a Christian, and as such I try to live my life as I believe Christ would have me live it. I fail rather consistently. That's not to say that I'm guaranteeing that Christianity is the answer to the great question, only that I believe it is. Whether any particular belief is the correct one, or if none of them are, the belief itself inspires one's morality.

However, if there is truly nothing beyond this life, then morality is obviously possible, but clearly irrelevent. If one is born, lives, and dies, and his consciousness is limited to that lifespan, then there is truly no greater motivation than his own self-interest. It's like Crowley said, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". If it makes a person feel good to lead a lifestyle that society considers "moral", then that's awesome, but he would still be doing it because of how it makes him feel. Simply living the moral life for the sake of morality would be beyond pointless. If a person doesn't care much for the feelings of others, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with hurting others. After all, in the worst case scenario pain is temporary.

I guess what I'm saying is that if this is all there is, the "moral" and the "immoral" end on equal footing every single time.

 

[Orangeslice13]

RV, what are your thoughts on Baptism and Salvation?

What are yours?

 

[KiffinKiller]

I wouldn't want to force(or be part of) an abortion, but I also don't believe in pushing my views on any one else.

I think abortion would better as a state issue. If they want to allow abortion in their state so be it, and let the people of that state choice the time frame and the laws on how to inforce abortion.

I'm accountable for my own life and not others. Their life and choices are on them and not a reflection of me.

this

 

[rockyvols]

RV, what are your thoughts on Baptism and Salvation?

I am baptist so strongly agree with baptism. Way of showing you have excepted the lord as your savior and your faith.

As far as salvation its the abc.s

A-admit your a sinner
B-Believe jesus died for you
C-confess your sins

If you do all this and put jesus in your heart then you are saved.
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