ACC teams are expected to leave.

Nobody in ACC is leaving yet due to the costs they would have to absorb. I think they are whining to get out of the contract. The only way it would work is if 8 or more have been selected by the B1G and SEC (4 each) to disband the league. However, I don't see how the B1G or SEC get an ROI on any of these teams not named Clemson, FSU, and maybe... maybe UNC
 
Meh. Let's just absorb the ACC minus Boston College, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Pittsburgh. Those schools belong in the Big 10. That leaves 11 schools. We dump Mizzou (they can join the Big 10 as well) and convince Vandy and Duke to compete in all sports BUT football which they both suck at anyway. I think that would leave us with a 24-team football conference. And it would keep alive a lot of regional rivals.

Not sure how you would split it into divisions or schedule it, but it would be the first true super-conference.
Duke is going to be a solid squad this year. They weren’t terrible last year and bring a decent amount back. What shocks me is hearing about how different it is under Elko than it was under Cutcliffe. It sounds like Cut just didn’t run a very tight ship, at least not his last couple of years. The team didn’t have specific diets and workouts weren’t nearly as tough as they are now. But yes, in general, Duke usually sucks.
 
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Duke is going to be a solid squad this year. They weren’t terrible last year and bring a decent amount back. What shocks me is hearing about how different it is under Elko than it was under Cutcliffe. It sounds like Cut just didn’t run a very tight ship, at least not his last couple of years. The team didn’t have specific diets and workouts weren’t nearly as tough as they are now. But yes, in general, Duke usually sucks.
Fine, let Duke and Vandy play football, too. Maybe snag Oklahoma State as well. 27 team. Do three divisions of 9. Boom. You have a super conference that can dominate in all the sports.
 
Their point to add Clemson and FSU instead of Texas and Oklahoma was that Texas A&M already brought the Texas market? Pretty sure the SEC already has a pretty good footprint in the Florida and South Carolina markets too. You always take Texas, even though they are one of the great underachievers in collegiate athletics you always take Texas. And obviously anyone in their right mind would take UNC over Mizzou, and I (me personally) would love to have Virginia Tech in the SEC. I think VPI is a great fit in the SEC. Much more so than UNC, UVA, Miami, Duke or GT.

My cousin who is a Va Tech grad was talking about that a few weeks ago. We have not read or heard 'VPI' in a long time. He graduated in '73 but still likes to refer to VPI his Alma Mater. I once had an Aunt Alma BTW...
 
My cousin who is a Va Tech grad was talking about that a few weeks ago. We have not read or heard 'VPI' in a long time. He graduated in '73 but still likes to refer to VPI his Alma Mater. I once had an Aunt Alma BTW...
Auburn was known as API until the 1950’s.
 
Meh. Let's just absorb the ACC minus Boston College, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Pittsburgh. Those schools belong in the Big 10. That leaves 11 schools. We dump Mizzou (they can join the Big 10 as well) and convince Vandy and Duke to compete in all sports BUT football which they both suck at anyway. I think that would leave us with a 24-team football conference. And it would keep alive a lot of regional rivals.

Not sure how you would split it into divisions or schedule it, but it would be the first true super-conference.
Fine, let Duke and Vandy play football, too. Maybe snag Oklahoma State as well. 27 team. Do three divisions of 9. Boom. You have a super conference that can dominate in all the sports.
How many Monster Energies did you drink this week?:D
 
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Duke is going to be a solid squad this year. They weren’t terrible last year and bring a decent amount back. What shocks me is hearing about how different it is under Elko than it was under Cutcliffe. It sounds like Cut just didn’t run a very tight ship, at least not his last couple of years. The team didn’t have specific diets and workouts weren’t nearly as tough as they are now. But yes, in general, Duke usually sucks.
Duke should’ve won the division last year, but had 2 choke jobs to Georgia Tech and UNC. IMO Duke was the best team in the Coastal, which admittedly is like being the worlds tallest midget, but Elko has Duke looking like a real football team. Sadly, Cut really became predictable and let the program slip the previous few years.
 
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Duke should’ve won the division last year, but had 2 choke jobs to Georgia Tech and UNC. IMO Duke was the best team in the Coastal, which admittedly is like being the worlds tallest midget, but Elko has Duke looking like a real football team. Sadly, Cut really became predictable and let the program slip the previous few years.
A friend of mine’s son plays for Duke and it was really surprising to hear how different things are under Elko because of what Cut wasn’t doing. But I agree they should’ve won it last year. All of Duke’s losses were close games. Had they beaten UNC they would’ve been playing Clemson. Maybe this year.
 
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A friend of mine’s son plays for Duke and it was really surprising to hear how different things are under Elko because of what Cut wasn’t doing. But I agree they should’ve won it last year. All of Duke’s losses were close games. Had they beaten UNC they would’ve been playing Clemson. Maybe this year.
I don’t understand how or why he let them go downhill as much as he did. The funny thing is that I talked to a member of the staff a few weeks ago, he is carryover from Cut’s staff and he insinuated what you’re saying. He would never speak a bad word about Cut, but used the words “different” and “good” a lot when describing Elko. It’s unfortunate that the ACC moved away from divisions this season, I couldve seen Duke winning the Coastal .
 
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I don’t understand how or why he let them go downhill as much as he did. The funny thing is that I talked to a member of the staff a few weeks ago, he is carryover from Cut’s staff and he insinuated what you’re saying. He would never speak a bad word about Cut, but used the words “different” and “good” a lot when describing Elko. It’s unfortunate that the ACC moved away from divisions this season, I couldve seen Duke winning the Coastal .
could be the Fulmer complex. Got comfy and let things slip.
 
could be the Fulmer complex. Got comfy and let things slip.
I think it’s probably exhausting and frustrating being the Duke football coach . You’re always playing a distant second to the basketball team, no matter what Cut and the football office tried to do they could not get people to come to the games. They were basically giving tickets away for people to come to the games. The Durham Bulls on a Friday or Saturday night mostly have a better atmosphere than Duke football. It has to be immensely frustrating, especially given all that he accomplished while he was at Duke .
 
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Miami just gained AAU membership today. That could potentially effect things up as far as any Big 10 expansion goes (although it’s not guaranteed to).
 
Miami just gained AAU membership today. That could potentially effect things up as far as any Big 10 expansion goes (although it’s not guaranteed to).
In theory, the B1G could go after Miami and GT . This would give them a foot print in the 4 biggest tv markets (arguably) on the East Coast. NY (Rutgers) D.C. (Maryland), South Florida (Miami) and Atlanta (GT). I don’t think Atlanta would be that big of a grab, it’s an SEC town, always will be. I’m not sure how many people actually care about Miami, and most never think of NYC as a great college football market. However, this does give the B1G LA, Detroit, Chicago, The Midwest in General, NYC, Philly , DC, Atlanta and Miami. If you added UNC you get the Triangle and Charlotte. That would be pretty impressive.
 
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In theory, the B1G could go after Miami and GT . This would give them a foot print in the 4 biggest tv markets (arguably) on the East Coast. NY (Rutgers) D.C. (Maryland), South Florida (Miami) and Atlanta (GT). I don’t think Atlanta would be that big of a grab, it’s an SEC town, always will be. I’m not sure how many people actually care about Miami, and most never think of NYC as a great college football market. However, this does give the B1G LA, Detroit, Chicago, The Midwest in General, NYC, Philly , DC, Atlanta and Miami. If you added UNC you get the Triangle and Charlotte. That would be pretty impressive.

This would work for me as long as the SEC doesn't take Miami.
We do need to have a full court press for UNC.

I have a chuckle when I imagine the B1G explaining to networks how Rutgers football insures the domination of the NYC TV market. GT owns ATLo_O
 
This would work for me as long as the SEC doesn't take Miami.
We do need to have a full court press for UNC.

I have a chuckle when I imagine the B1G explaining to networks how Rutgers football insures the domination of the NYC TV market. GT owns ATLo_O

I really don’t think Miami has any business being in the SEC. They’re a small private school that has zero cultural similarities to the rest of the conference, they rarely sell out their home stadium, which is 30 minutes from campus (sound like the LA schools much?). If the B1G wants them let them have em. And if Jim Delaney had really wanted a hold of that NYC, Tri-State Tv market he should’ve gone after Duke from the get go and gotten UNC in a package deal. Go watch any Duke basketball game at MSG. Always packed w/ Duke fans. Huge $$ alumni base the northeast.

I do think UNC will get the full court press from both leagues. I think it may depend a lot on who comes with them. UVA is probably the next choice. I personally don’t want UNC in the SEC. I don’t think their football program is worthy of the prestige. Their fans have alway talked down to me like they’re above what the SEC is all about. They’re ok with being a mediocre“sleeping giant” program because hey, they’re at least good at basketball and don’t want to stoop to the levels in recruiting and academics that the SEC programs do. Which of course is a joke. I’d prefer not to give them any help in recruiting, that SEC logo would make recruiting that much more difficult for us North Carolina and give them a little extra ability to recruit guys that have repeatedly gone to UGA, Florida and Tennessee.
 
I wouldn’t hesitate to take Duke if I were the SEC.

But they’ll go with Carolina or Carolina goes wherever they end up. The rivalry is to rich and the fans would riot in the streets.

An NC and VA team makes total sense for the next SEC expansion. But don’t you throw in all of your chips for UNC and UVA? Great institutions, state schools and you grab all of that market. Screw the Clemsons and Dukes and Miamis, etc
 
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An NC and VA team makes total sense for the next SEC expansion. But don’t you throw in all of your chips for UNC and UVA? Great institutions, state schools and you grab all of that market. Screw the Clemsons and Dukes and Miamis, etc

I just can’t see Carolina and Duke being separated. Your really devaluing the money that would bring to the conference just from Basketball alone
 
I just can’t see Carolina and Duke being separated. Your really devaluing the money that would bring to the conference just from Basketball alone
For perspective, the Duke vs UNC game from last February where neither team was ranked was the most watched men’s college game on ESPN . The second most watched men’s game was the game in March.
 
I just can’t see Carolina and Duke being separated. Your really devaluing the money that would bring to the conference just from Basketball alone

I hate to say it, but I imagine they easily will be, and (eventually, after some time) will start playing each other as a yearly OOC matchup. The revenue they bring in for basketball still pretty much pales in comparison to the money brought in by football. (Not to mention, if Duke’s basketball value was high when it came to revenue, they would have been part of that whole “Magnificent 7” force we that we saw this summer publicly huffing and posturing and pouting at the the ACC to change its revenue redistribution).

And it’s a shame, because I like the two playing each other yearly, I really do; it’s iconic to their sports. And as much as I or any of us like seeing some of these historic, can’t-be-parted rivalry pairings lasting as the engrained aspects the of the yearly sports calendar and the sports’ histories…that’s also unfortunately been subject to a recurring aspect of realignment: casualties of multiple historic rivalries that fans enjoyed and thought would never (or should never) be ended (…all ending with one side seeking out greater financial gains in a landscape that’s starting to separate and shrink).
 
I hate to say it, but I imagine they easily will be, and (eventually, after some time) will start playing each other as a yearly OOC matchup. The revenue they bring in for basketball still pretty much pales in comparison to the money brought in by football. (Not to mention, if Duke’s basketball value was high when it came to revenue, they would have been part of that whole “Magnificent 7” force we that we saw this summer publicly huffing and posturing and pouting at the the ACC to change its revenue redistribution).

And it’s a shame, because I like the two playing each other yearly, I really do; it’s iconic to their sports. And as much as I or any of us like seeing some of these historic, can’t-be-parted rivalry pairings lasting as the engrained aspects the of the yearly sports calendar and the sports’ histories…that’s also unfortunately been subject to a recurring aspect of realignment: casualties of multiple historic rivalries that fans enjoyed and thought would never (or should never) be ended (…all ending with one side seeking out greater financial gains in a landscape that’s starting to separate and shrink).
I would hope that if they are split up into 2 different conferences that they would maintain an OOC h/h in football and find a way to play twice annually in basketball . That game is easily in the same sentence as the Iron Bowl, Ohio State vs. Michigan, Yankees vs Red Sox, Celtics vs Lakers . Like you said, it’s iconic, both are better because of the other.
 
If you added UNC you get the Triangle and Charlotte. That would be pretty impressive.
At best, UNC is the 4th most popular team in Charlotte. Way, way more Clemson and SCAR fans with ASU following those two up. UNC probably on par with WVU.

If the SEC ever added Clemson, Charlotte would decidedly be SEC country.
 
At best, UNC is the 4th most popular team in Charlotte. Way, way more Clemson and SCAR fans with ASU following those two up. UNC probably on par with WVU.

If the SEC ever added Clemson, Charlotte would decidedly be SEC country.
I’m surprised by that. I figured UNC would at least be top 2 or 3 in the biggest city in North Carolina.
 
This game has now gone from a state or regional pride product to more of a franchise product which many will have trouble identifying with, including me.
I was just thinking the same thing. I know things change, but not always in a good way. As much as I want to hold on to the good old days, they're gone. It will be interesting to see what this sport looks and feels like when the dust settles. For the old guys, it might not be as enjoyable.
 

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