According to reports on ESPN, Missouri voted unanimously

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govols120 said:
Just go the the B10, I want nothing of losing the Bama game just because Mike Slive is an imbecile and sends Auburn over to our division because of this.
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There is no reason for that to happen regardless.

Mizzou would be a very good choice of the schools remaining. Very good academic and athletic school with two large metro markets and several smaller but significant TV markets. The only other name that makes any more sense is VT.

FTR, there is no reason to assume that the SEC will stick with regional divisions. They could go with divisions like the ACC has to assure that rivalries are maintained and the divisions are roughly equal in strength.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
East
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
NC St.
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech
West
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Miss
Miss St
Mizzou
Texas A&M

That would be a perfect conference IMO, JMO

It gives you a large state school in every single state in the South(excluding WV).
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NCSU is not going to leave the ACC unless the conference folds. They are LESS likely to give up their historic rivalries with Duke, Wake, and UNC than UT is to give up theirs with Bama.

I think Va Tech is a very good candidate as is WVU. VT has been independent, Big East, and ACC in the past 20 years. WVU was also independent not very long ago.
 
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WVU has absolutely no chance of making it into the SEC. If Mizzou doesn't come, which I hope they don't, then we will simply sway one of the N.Carolina schools. What's $20m now when these schools are making long-term, 25-50+ year decisions. Still think we'll go for one of the VA or NC schools anyways.
 
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voldawgforever said:
to explore leaving the Big 12, which means they will be #14 in the SEC. Book-'em Dano!!
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Makes Sense. Would Balance out the Conference in the West. Maybe they move a West Team to the East.

Auburn would make the most Geographic sense.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
I truely think the SEC teams's pie would grow if they expanded past 14 and got Virginia Tech and NC St.
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i consider the acc to be a "stable" conference.

if you are going to take schools from stable leagues, then that changes things.

but, if you think in terms of unstable leagues (big east and big 12) or independents (notre dame).....

then texas and notre dame are the only money makers left. oklahoma might be a money maker too, but they have to take okie state with them and then they stop being a money maker really quick.

i have said it before that i still don't understand how the acc makes money from pitt and syracuse entering the league and believe that the move was made prematurely as a manuever to protect themselves.

i think the acc loses money on that in the end, but the motivation was different. they were thinking purely of survival.
 
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99gator said:
i can understand people being opposed to expansion for a variety of reasons. there are several aspects about expansion that i do not like either.

however, the business aspect is undeniable.

i do not understand how there are people out there that speak as if the sec is a charitable institution that is making a sacrifice by expanding and is simply doing the schools they are adding a big favor.

12 university presidents would not choose to expand if it meant losing money.

that's one of the reasons the whole "super conference" thing isn't going to happen. there are only a couple of schools out there in unstable conferences or who are independent that would increase the pot for the league they join.
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I think you may be looking at this wrong - for the conference to make more money by addition the new schools dont have to be better than UT or Alabama - they just need to be better revenue producers than the lowest hanging fruit - so Vandy, Mstate, Uk, or whoever happens to be in that 11 or 12 slot

While i am not in favor of expansion, it is hard to argue that A&M, MO, or vatech or wbu for that matter dont add more to the pot than vandy
 
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KCVol14 said:
They move it around.... it's been played in San Antonio, St Louis, Dallas and Kansas City.

The basketball tournament has been played in Ok City and dallas, but it's played in KC on a more regular basis
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It was originally moved around, but it's spent the last 2-3 years straight in Dallas (which, if you look at other years, there weren't any back-to-back games)

I kind of get the KC argument here, but one thing I said elsewhere is: if the big 12 was willing to take the big 12 offices (which had for years been in Kansas city) away from the city and move them to Dallas - as well as likely take KC out of the championship rotation to send that game there as well - ....it's really just a matter of time before they choose to do so with the basketball tournament
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TlM said:
I understand both sides of it. Hell, why not add two more teams that annually make bowl games and can contribute to the pot? It makes fiscal sense, but, where does it stop? Like you said I don't believe the "super conference" idea will work but there is precedent that is being created that who knows where it will end.

I guess it's like trying to accept a new step-brother or step-sister. Sure, they'll be your "family" but not really.
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I get the feeling 20 years ago, Arkansas and south Carolina were probably treated about the same way (if there were Internet, you'd probably have seen these same types of reactions)
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Why wouldn't anyone want them? The bring St. Louis in as a tv market which iirc, would be the largest tv market in the SEC.
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UTHorsey said:
Why wouldn't anyone want them? The bring St. Louis in as a tv market which iirc, would be the largest tv market in the SEC.
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atlanta, tampa, miami, orlando are all higher.

and with the addition of texas a&m, you can add dallas.

but, the point is correct. it's the 21st rated market based on a link i found, which is nothing to sneeze at.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
I truely think the SEC teams's pie would grow if they expanded past 14 and got Virginia Tech and NC St.
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It would grow in this direction/ from this addition too

If VT is still saying no to anything relating to us, there's really nothing much we can do. The conference can't just go into a situation of wait & see for 6-7 years with a team like that and just hoping that they wake up one day and decide "I dont like the ACC anymore"
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Folks, whether you like it or not, the SEC is going to be at least a 16 team conference in another year or so.

We will add a team from the states of North Carolina and Virginia to the mix. This seals off our region from the Big Ten and any other conferences outside of the ACC. Remember, the ACC's additions were done out of perceived threats of losing teams to the SEC.

If we go to 20 teams, it would mean that we will eat up the southern portion of the ACC.
 
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PermaVol said:
WVU has absolutely no chance of making it into the SEC. If Mizzou doesn't come, which I hope they don't, then we will simply sway one of the N.Carolina schools. What's $20m now when these schools are making long-term, 25-50+ year decisions. Still think we'll go for one of the VA or NC schools anyways.
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best insight on the conference expansion views on buyouts was from an interview with the vice chancellor of vanderbilt done in the tennesseean (mainly last paragraph of quote):

The factors to deal with that 14th team are well beyond anything that any one person could think about. There are so many things involved. On a Monday, state university ‘B’ would be a good one, but then you find out their conference is doing this. State university ‘C’ then becomes the next one you try. Trust me. People say, ‘Well, you’ve already got a 14th team (lined up).’ We don’t. I could see pros and cons on just about anything you suggest as another team. This is a process. That’s why I think we may be at 13 for a couple of years.

There are a lot of things that we don’t know or have control over. You asked the question about one university. Well, does that university even want to be part of it? You look into that conference … are they not sitting down, with the exception of Texas A&M, were they not sitting down saying that they’re (addressing) their TV rights for the next six years for the conference? So if that’s the case, you may not get anybody from their conference to go. There are so many other factors.

The ACC raises its exit fee to $20 million. So while there may be a team in there that says, ‘OK, that (conference change) would be good,’ what about the $20 million? Who’s going to pay that? There are a whole lot of issues that didn’t exist a month ago that now exists as it relates to who might become that 14th team. And a month from now, there may be even more issues.
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Tux said:
Folks, whether you like it or not, the SEC is going to be at least a 16 team conference in another year or so.

We will add a team from the states of North Carolina and Virginia to the mix. This seals off our region from the Big Ten and any other conferences outside of the ACC. Remember, the ACC's additions were done out of perceived threats of losing teams to the SEC.

If we go to 20 teams, it would mean that we will eat up the southern portion of the ACC.
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So NC State and VT?
 
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