Active Players to Cooperstown

[zjcvols]

Only players with ten years experience: Yes or no?

Chipper Jones

Roy Halladay

C.C. Sabathia

Derek Jeter

Omar Vizquel

Jim Thome

Mariano Rivera

Albert Pujols

Alex Rodriguez

Todd Helton

Vlad Guerrero

 

[zjcvols]

Mine answers:

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

No

No

Yes

Yes

Yes

No

Yes

 

[NYYVol]

Only players with ten years experience: Yes or no?

Chipper Jones yes

Roy Halladay yes

C.C. Sabathia no

Derek Jeter yes

Omar Vizquel no

Jim Thome yes

Mariano Rivera yes

Albert Pujols yes

Alex Rodriguez undecided

Todd Helton yes

Vlad Guerrero no

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Only players with ten years experience: Yes or no?

Chipper Jones Yes

Roy Halladay Yes

C.C. Sabathia Yes

Derek Jeter Yes

Omar Vizquel No

Jim Thome Yes

Mariano Rivera Yes

Albert Pujols Yes

Alex Rodriguez Yes

Todd Helton No

Vlad Guerrero

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[zjcvols]

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No C.C.? And you like Helton over Vlad?

 

[NYYVol]

No C.C.? And you like Helton over Vlad?

Just got a feeling c.c. will not be that great for that long.

Scratch my comment on Vlad. His ba was much higher than I first looked. Career .318 is better than when I googled and it said .273.
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[zjcvols]

Just got a feeling c.c. will not be that great for that long.

Scratch my comment on Vlad. His ba was much higher than I first looked. Career .318 is better than when I googled and it said .273.
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Which is crazy because he swung at almost everything.

I don't know. C.C. is still a top five pitcher in baseball. And has been that way for a while now.

 

[NYYVol]

He's still a very good season and a half from 200 wins.

 

[zjcvols]

He's still a very good season and a half from 200 wins.

And with his ERA, that should do it unless he falls off the map completely (which is possible with his weight).

Dear God, Vlad was amazing. Before he got injured in 2009 with the Angles, through 1998-2008, this was his season average

35 Homers
112 RBI
15 SB
35 two baggers

A line of .325/.392/.581
An OPS of .972 and OPS of 149+

No doubt HOF in my mind

 

[zjcvols]

Helton's prime:

30 homers
108 RBI
45 two baggers

A line of .332/.432/.585

An OPS of 1.017 and OPS+ 144

 

[JTrainDavis]

It's impossible to handicap guys for the Hall mid career. It's a disservice to both the Hall and the player.

 

[NYYVol]

It's impossible to handicap guys for the Hall mid career. It's a disservice to both the Hall and the player.

Agreed. Too many factors.

 

[NYYVol]

And with his ERA, that should do it unless he falls off the map completely (which is possible with his weight).

Dear God, Vlad was amazing. Before he got injured in 2009 with the Angles, through 1998-2008, this was his season average

35 Homers
112 RBI
15 SB
35 two baggers

A line of .325/.392/.581
An OPS of .972 and OPS of 149+

No doubt HOF in my mind

I, for some reason, didn't think his numbers were that good.

 

[zjcvols]

Here's what is going to kill Helton though in my mind:

Home: .355/.452/.623
Away: .292/.392/.481

Those are hard to ignore

 

[JTrainDavis]

If Roy, A-Rod, Pujols retired tomorrow they'd be in.

 

[zjcvols]

It's impossible to handicap guys for the Hall mid career. It's a disservice to both the Hall and the player.

I agree to an extent.

While I think longevity is an important factor, I think a more important factor is how good you were during your prime. For your ten best years, how good were you? In my personal opinion, I think a guy who has 8 great years (consecutively) and the other 5 are average instead of the guy with 12 good years. JMO though.

 

[NYYVol]

If Roy, A-Rod, Pujols retired tomorrow they'd be in.

The only thing is how anal do the voters go with A-Rod.

 

[zjcvols]

I, for some reason, didn't think his numbers were that good.

I knew they were good, but I didn't realize it was THAT good. You could make a case he was the best oufielder in the 2000's.

 

[zjcvols]

The only thing is how anal do the voters go with A-Rod.

A lot anal. Anybody linked with steroids is not getting in the Hall.

 

[NYYVol]

I knew they were good, but I didn't realize it was THAT good. You could make a case he was the best oufielder in the 2000's.

I think most of it is playing on the west coast.

 

[NYYVol]

A lot anal. Anybody linked with steroids is not getting in the Hall.

They will eventually. And should.

 

[zjcvols]

I think most of it is playing on the west coast.

And the Expos. That didn't help. He also was a very good defensive outfielder.

 

[JTrainDavis]

The only thing is how anal do the voters go with A-Rod.

He won't be as stuffed as Jim Rice was.

 

[VolsFan4Ever-11]

I personally would have added Ichiro to that list. JMO

 

[NYYVol]

He won't be as stuffed as Jim Rice was.

Rice was a travesty. Plain and simple.