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#26
#26
You know who really blew it? Andruw Jones.

If he didn't get fat and lazy, he would have been a HOF.

He averaged 34 homers and 101 RBI's for ten years. Had a .268/.346/.506 line and one of the greatest defensive players ever. He only need two or three more years like that and he would have been a HOF.
 
#28
#28
NYYVol said:
They will eventually. And should.
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I agree they should. Just don't they will. You think 3/4 baseball writers will say "Who cares about steroids, he deserves to be in"? Cause I don't think so.
 
#29
#29
zjcvols said:
You know who really blew it? Andruw Jones.

If he didn't get fat and lazy, he would have been a HOF.

He averaged 34 homers and 101 RBI's for ten years. Had a .268/.346/.506 line and one of the greatest defensive players ever. He only need two or three more years like that and he would have been a HOF.
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Andruw for sure blew his chance. He was ridiculous back in his prime.
 
#31
#31
zjcvols said:
I agree they should. Just don't they will. You think 3/4 baseball writers will say "Who cares about steroids, he deserves to be in"? Cause I don't think so.
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I think guys that were on the fringe of being the best players of that era will miss out, probably deservedly so.

If the steroid era did nothing, it put Don Pedro in the running for the Ace of the all time rotation, with Koufax, Big Train, Silver King, and Mathewson.
 
#32
#32
zjcvols said:
I agree they should. Just don't they will. You think 3/4 baseball writers will say "Who cares about steroids, he deserves to be in"? Cause I don't think so.
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You can't remove a player who was linked to steroids because it is unbeknownst to how many of them faced opposing players who never got caught.

And the writers, for the most part, can go eat dynamite.
 
#33
#33
VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
Andruw for sure blew his chance. He was ridiculous back in his prime.
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Even though his line wasn't great, his defense made up for it.

I remember my dad saying "You know why Andruw is never in the top ten plays? Because he makes all of them so easily."

That 2005 season he has was nasty. He carried that team.
 
#34
#34
JTrainDavis said:
I think guys that were on the fringe of being the best players of that era will miss out, probably deservedly so.

If the steroid era did nothing, it put Don Pedro in the running for the Ace of the all time rotation, with Koufax, Big Train, Silver King, and Mathewson.
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Maddux too.
 
#35
#35
NYYVol said:
You can't remove a player who was linked to steroids because it is unbeknownst to how many of them faced opposing players who never got caught.

And the writers, for the most part, can go eat dynamite.
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I agree. Trust me. I'm with you on this lol.

I just don't think it will happen.
 
#37
#37
JTrainDavis said:
I think guys that were on the fringe of being the best players of that era will miss out, probably deservedly so.

If the steroid era did nothing, it put Don Pedro in the running for the Ace of the all time rotation, with Koufax, Big Train, Silver King, and Mathewson.
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Excuse my ignorance, but who is the Silver King?
 
#42
#42
NYYVol said:
I'm as big of a fan of Mad Dog as they come. But he's coming out of the pen with that rotation.
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Mathewson pitched in the dead ball era, and Big Train pitched in a white only league. Not doubting there greatness, but how can you list them but not Maddux?
 
#45
#45
zjcvols said:
Mathewson pitched in the dead ball era, and Big Train pitched in a white only league. Not doubting there greatness, but how can you list them but not Maddux?
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He's definitely a legend. But if I absolutely have to win a game 162 times, I look to the aforementioned list.
 
#46
#46
Just looked up Ichiro's stats and they are even better than what I thought they were.

BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
.328 .373 .425 .798 116
 
#47
#47
zjcvols said:
Mathewson pitched in the dead ball era, and Big Train pitched in a white only league. Not doubting there greatness, but how can you list them but not Maddux?
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I'm a huge Maddux fan, but he just didn't have dominant stuff like those guys. He'd be hard to take over guys like Gibson, Tiant, Feller, Spahn, Clemens, Halladay, Carlton etc. If you're going to use a couple seasons, why not Denny McLain?
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#48
#48
JTrainDavis said:
I'll take any of my 5 against any 9 you want to field, and you take Maddux against mine, I'll win 7 of 10
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I disagree. Although let's play a little game. I'll take my rotation and lineup, and you give me your lineup:

Maddux
Randy Johnson
Bob Gibson
Satchel Paige (in his prime)
Steve Carlton

LF Rickey Henderson
1B Stan Musial
CF Mickey Mantle
3B Mike Schmidt
DH Barry Bonds
RF Hank Aaron
2B Joe Morgan
SS Alex Rodriguez
C Johnny Bench
 
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#49
#49
BigPapaVol said:
I'm a huge Maddux fan, but he just didn't have dominant stuff like those guys. He'd be hard to take over guys like Gibson, Tiant, Feller, Spahn, Clemens, Halladay, Carlton etc. If you're going to use a couple seasons, why not Denny McLain?
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Those guys could flat out win a game as long as they had someone willing to squat behind the plate.
 
#50
#50
NYYVol said:
He's definitely a legend. But if I absolutely have to win a game 162 times, I look to the aforementioned list.
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I understand what you are saying. And I understand that Mad Dog didn't have the stuff of legends. But what he did (along with Pedro) in the steroid era, to me, put's him in there.
 
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