Adams has a point...

[VolMax]

Funny. I thought Kiffin was right after Fulmer. It's getting harder and harder to believe you when you said you don't stick up for Dooley.

Yeah, forget CPF's slide. Kiffie's whiff of a top ten class really screwed DD! Not that it really mattered in the end.

 

[Wood Man]

Johnny Majors. The real deal. Was in '51. Still is today. Go Vols!

 

[114VOL]

Funny. I thought Kiffin was right after Fulmer. It's getting harder and harder to believe you when you said you don't stick up for Dooley.

The fact that Kiffin only coached one year accentuates his point. Fulmer was there in one role or another right before Kiffin for 26 years, the last 16 as head coach.

 

[VolMax]

The fact that Kiffin only coached one year accentuates his point. Fulmer was there in one role or another right before Kiffin for 26 years, the last 16 as head coach.

So how'd our Vols fair in the 2009-2013 NFL drafts? Even better, how about the last ten years?

2004-2013: 35 total - CP, JH, MR and MJ weren't Fulmer recruits so call it 31
17 in first three rounds - minus CP & JH = 15.

1994-2003: 71 total
37 in the first three rounds

Both numbers down about 60%.

What does that tell us?

 

[GahLee]

I'm a fan of Tennessee, but I'm also a fan of any player that put on that orange jersey or coach who gave his all for Tennessee.

Like I said, he deserved one more year to win 8+ games. Then I would be fine with him having to be let go.(In a respectable manner)

8 games should be considered a bad year at UT.

 

[114VOL]

So how'd our Vols fair in the 2009-2013 NFL drafts? Even better, how about the last ten years?

2004-2013: 35 total - CP, JH, MR and MJ weren't Fulmer recruits so call it 31
17 in first three rounds - minus CP & JH = 15.

1994-2003: 71 total
37 in the first three rounds

Both numbers down about 60%.

What does that tell us?

Lots of things. Most importantly though, it supports our honest and humble opinions that Fulmer shouldn't be revered as some kind of legend. It supports that he was a good game day coach, but not great. It supports that he was a GREAT recruiter for a few years but then regressed in that role in as many years on the downside. It supports that Majors was a GREAT recruiter. It supports that the program took a big downturn during Fulmer's last 10 years.

Last, but not least, it supports the opinion that when Fulmer got the HC job, the program was LOADED with stud talent and depth. When he was fired, the program was nowhere near in the same condition. And before one of you make the claim, "Fulmer didn't leave, he was fired", please remember that Johnny was fired too.

Case closed.

 

[LocoVol]

Is 114 and John Adams the same guy? :whistling:

I take what Adams writes about CPF like I would anything MSNBC writes about a republican or Fox about a democrat.

 

[114VOL]

Is 114 and John Adams the same guy? :whistling:

I take what Adams writes about CPF like I would anything MSNBC writes about a republican or Fox about a democrat.

I can't stand John Adams, which is mutually exclusive of this article he wrote.

So Fulmer doesn't bear most of the blame for the football team's downturn from 2002-2008? It's the administration's fault?

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

This was my comment on the article on GVX:

"But Dooley took his multi-million-dollar buyout like a man. He found another job and didn’t blame anyone."

Is this so? Really? Dooley got out as soon as he could get his check. He didn't even coach his last game against KY. Like a man? Like a coward. He ran. Fulmer stuck around the team, university and fans he adored and stuck out 3 games after having to sit through a gut wrenching Press Conference to announce his "resignation." This after leading the team to an Eastern Division title the year before.

Lost his edge? Give me a break. You say he didn't have the talent he once had. How can Kiffy take his players and beat the daylights out of Georgia and SC. And take Alabama to the wire. That's the National Championship AL team that had to block a field goal as the time expired on their home field to win. You can't do that without talent. And nobody's crowning Kiffin as National Coach of the year either.

This BS you write in this article has been repeated time and again by the likes of Cattleman, Hitch, Clay Travis, even Roger has brought it up. But, truth is, you, me, Cattlman, nobody knows what really went on inside that athletic department.

I'm not here advocating Fulmer to have stayed on as coach although I am saying that I fully agree with Fulmer's assessment with Hammy. Look at the facts. He gave Fulmer an extension. Fine. The next season was tough. We all know that. But, did Hammy publicly give fulmer a vote of confidence? Did he champion Fulmer in the media and tell everyone that we're on the right track or he's meeting with Fulmer to figure this out and give him what he needs to get this turned around? NO! He fired him then gave a snot nosed brat an unlimited checkbook to bring on any and every crook he could think of. That was the worst hire in the history of TN football. If he doesn't take the SC job, we are in the deepest NCAA trouble that there is. Then he walks.

Giving Hammy props in this article says all I need to know about the credibility of John Adams. Let's make one thing clear. You are on the same level as Cattleman.

Seldom do I really read a great post on here with 100% unmitigated truth based on actual events vs hearsay, and a deeper knowledge of the program, vs what usually sounds like a bunch of drunks trying to out do each other. What this man said, Nailed it...... friends for life

 

[hohenfelsvol]

I'm a fan of Tennessee, but I'm also a fan of any player that put on that orange jersey or coach who gave his all for Tennessee.

Like I said, he deserved one more year to win 8+ games. Then I would be fine with him having to be let go.(In a respectable manner)

Divorce is never pretty.

 

[VolMax]

Seldom do I really read a great post on here with 100% unmitigated truth based on actual events vs hearsay, and a deeper knowledge of the program, vs what usually sounds like a bunch of drunks trying to out do each other. What this man said, Nailed it...... friends for life

Read the NFL Draft numbers, Bro...

 

[knoxvols1]

Article is spot on!