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Sea Ray

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I'm sure this will get criticized by the left in this country 'cause that's what they do but if Trump brings home thousands of soldiers from Afghanistan, that'll be huge for his re-election:

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Friday that upon successful implementation of this agreement, the US would move to sign a peace deal with the Taliban on February 29...The two sides have been wrangling over the US demand for a ceasefire before the final peace agreement is signed. The deal is expected to outline the withdrawal of American troops and a guarantee that Afghan soil will not be used as a launchpad to conduct attacks on foreign countries.

The talks were launched in 2018 as part of a push by US President Donald Trump's administration to strike a deal with the Taliban, which has been fighting the US-led forces in Afghanistan since it was toppled from power.
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US-Taliban truce begins, raising hopes for a peace deal

The far left liberal media is not giving this enough play. NBC spent all kinds of time tonight on this new Russian collusion story, but if Trump ends this nearly 20 yrs war, the impact of his re-election cannot be overstated. This would be huge.

Imagine the commercials: "while Democrats were arguing in Nevada (show scene from Wednesday's debate) Pres Trump's team was negotiating a withdrawal from Afghanistan" (show soldiers coming home to the waiting arms of their wives and kids.)
 
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It always cracks me up when someone slams Bush for kicking the ants nest at the beginning of the century ( rightly so our involvement has been a catastrophe) but will then slam Trump for not getting involved in Syria.
 
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lukeneyland said:
It always cracks me up when someone slams Bush for kicking the ants nest at the beginning of the century ( rightly so our involvement has been a catastrophe) but will then slam Trump for not getting involved in Syria.
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How can you say "rightly so" when we attacked the wrong country?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How can you say "rightly so" when we attacked the wrong country?
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I think your misunderstanding my comment. I'm saying it is correct to hate Bush for what he did in the middle east. But using the same logic it would be unfair to criticize Trump for not intervening in Syria
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Bin Laden along with about fifteen 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
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Yeah. And? Did the Saudi Government fund their entire operation? No. Bin laden had been out of Saudi since the 70's..Their funding was minimal and from no known state. Not gonna argue that Saudi is a sh!thole that should burn (been there). No offense but your knowledge of all things 9/11 comes from the internet and tv and zero first hand experience.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Yeah. And? Did the Saudi Government fund their entire operation? No. Bin laden had been out of Saudi since the 70's..Their funding was minimal and from no known state. Not gonna argue that Saudi is a sh!thole that should burn (been there). No offense but your knowledge of all things 9/11 comes from the internet and tv and zero first hand experience.
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Entire?

If they had a penny involved in it all the more reason to strike the KSA. Thanks for making my point.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Yeah. And? Did the Saudi Government fund their entire operation? No. Bin laden had been out of Saudi since the 70's..Their funding was minimal and from no known state. Not gonna argue that Saudi is a sh!thole that should burn (been there). No offense but your knowledge of all things 9/11 comes from the internet and tv and zero first hand experience.
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No offense taken. And likewise, I would assume that all of your information about the region comes with a US military slant/bias. Some from your own experiences there which I do not have, but also from the "information" or "intelligence" that was briefed to you about the region.

But again, even in your own words, you were still able to validate what I said with regards to Saudi involvement in 9/11 by saying they did not fund the "entire" operation. That is an admission that KSA at least had a hand in it, which would therefore justify my position that at the very least, the Saudis should have been attacked.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No offense taken. And likewise, I would assume that all of your information about the region comes with a US military slant/bias. Some from your own experiences there which I do not have, but also from the "information" or "intelligence" that was briefed to you about the region.

But again, even in your own words, you were still able to validate what I said with regards to Saudi involvement in 9/11 by saying they did not fund the "entire" operation. That is an admission that KSA at least had a hand in it, which would therefore justify my position that at the very least, the Saudis should have been attacked.
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No. The only Saudi involvement was the fact the dudes were all Saudis. Saudi Arabia had zero to gain and everything to lose by being behind that. IF there was a foreign intelligence service behind anything, outside of our own, it would most likely have been the Pakistani ISI considering they were hiding Bin laden for years after 9/11.

That being said, I'd love to see a carpet bombing of Mecca where the Kaaba is destroyed.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
No. The only Saudi involvement was the fact the dudes were all Saudis.
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Isn't that enough? And why did we allow the Bin laden family members here in the US to return to Saudi Arabia within 2-3 days of 9/11? We should have been keeping them here and asking them questions.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Isn't that enough? And why did we allow the Bin laden family members here in the US to return to Saudi Arabia within 2-3 days of 9/11? We should have been keeping them here and asking them questions.
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To start a war? Jesus. No. As far as the bin laden family members go not sure why you detain them if they didn't have involvement with the attack.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
To start a war? Jesus. No. As far as the bin laden family members go not sure why you detain them if they didn't have involvement with the attack.
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Nor do you make special provisions to escort them out of the country, either.
 
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All that stuff is water under the bridge. Isn't it a good thing that we have a President now who is (might) bring our boys home? Does anyone support keeping them there? Seems to me this is an easy one politically
 
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Sea Ray said:
All that stuff is water under the bridge. Isn't it a good thing that we have a President now who is (might) bring our boys home? Does anyone support keeping them there? Seems to me this is an easy one politically
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I'm all for bringing the troops home. But if we are going to send troops halfway around the world, we at least need to attack those that attacked us... not Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
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Sea Ray said:
All that stuff is water under the bridge. Isn't it a good thing that we have a President now who is (might) bring our boys home? Does anyone support keeping them there? Seems to me this is an easy one politically
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Do you believe this?

 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm all for bringing the troops home. But if we are going to send troops halfway around the world, we at least need to attack those that attacked us... not Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Once again that's water under the bridge. I see no reason to re-litigate it now. The reason we went into Afghanistan was to punish the people who were harboring the terrorists. Now a better question is why we're spending billions building infrastructure in that country. Why build roads and bridges there when we have our own roads and bridges that need repair?

In hindsight, it was an enormous mistake to ever go into Iraq. It would have been much more practical to leave Sadam there as a counterbalance to Iran. But GW Bush famously stated "I believe it's our duty to free people." It was a noble goal but the blood and treasure was not worth it
 
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