Ainge Comparisons

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For those who keep pointing to what Weiss was able to do with Quinn this year, in hopes of seeing Cut turn Ainge into an All American QB...let's just say Weiss had a lot more to work with.

Quinn

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2003 157 332 1831 47.3 5.52 85 9 15 13 93.52
2004 191 353 2586 54.1 7.33 54 17 10 25 125.87

Ainge

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004 109 198 1452 55.1 7.33 60 17 9 5 135.89
2005 66 145 737 45.5 5.08 50 5 7 9 89.94

As you can see, over there first 2 seasons, Ainge and Quinn were moving in opposite directions. Most of Quinn's improvement can be credited to maturation, he has gotten better every season at ND. Ainge's problems are that he is a headcase! Cutcliffe's best option would be to focus on developing Crompton into the 2006 starting QB and let Ainge continue to play shadow basketball on the sidelines.
 
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I'm sure Quinn had a much better tutelage than Randy Sanders and one that didn't teach him to digress either.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 12, 2005 9:43 PM
For those who keep pointing to  what Weiss was able to do with Quinn this year, in hopes of seeing Cut turn Ainge into an All American QB...let's just say Weiss had a lot more to work with.

Quinn

YEAR  CMP  ATT  YDS  CMP%  YPA  LNG  TD  INT  SACK RAT
2003  157  332  1831  47.3  5.52  85    9    15    13  93.52
2004  191  353  2586  54.1  7.33  54  17    10    25 125.87

Ainge

YEAR  CMP  ATT  YDS CMP%  YPA LNG TD  INT  SACK  RAT
2004  109  198  1452  55.1  7.33 60    17  9      5    135.89
2005    66  145  737  45.5  5.08  50    5    7      9    89.94

As you can see, over there first 2 seasons, Ainge and Quinn were moving in opposite directions.  Most of Quinn's improvement can be credited to maturation, he has gotten better every season at ND.  Ainge's problems are that he is a headcase!  Cutcliffe's best option would be to focus on developing Crompton into the 2006 starting QB and let Ainge continue to play shadow basketball on the sidelines.
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i dont buy comparisons like this.

quinn obviously has heart, and i have yet to see a single thread of it from ainge. time will tell though.
 
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 12, 2005 10:48 PM
I'm sure Quinn had a much better tutelage than Randy Sanders and one that didn't teach him to digress either.
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Oh definitely, I mean, look at Carlyle Hollidays development...or how about all those Stanford QBs that are running around the NFL right now that played for Tye. Wait, my bad, they don't exist. It's time to call a spade a spade, and Erik Ainge sucks!
 
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What do those people across the country have to do with Randy Sanders? I mean dude if you're going to respond and quote me why don't you at least address my quote.

Don't forget those pussycat teams on ND's schedule that can fluff some stats up as well.

Going back to your original post and supposed point, Cut has done quite well with not only QB's but the offense as a whole. people on here as a whole are pretty optimistic about Cut's prospects for getting Ainge back on track. You seem to have no faith in Cut at all. All you seem to do is trash him and his abilities and seem to be one of the biggest doubters on here.

Either you're Mrs. Sanders or the Ebay guy.
 
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Don't forget Ainge didn't play in any games after ND in 2004 due to injury. Definately went down in 2005 due to lack of playing time and no guidance from staff. So, disagree with the way stats are displayed for this topic. Ainge will improve. The reference to Weis is intended to show the difference a good coach can make. Quinn justed didn't make the numbers. He made the plays.
 
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Originally posted by hohenfelsvol@Dec 12, 2005 10:05 PM
Don't forget Ainge didn't play in any games after ND in 2004 due to injury.  Definately went down in 2005 due to lack of playing time and no guidance from staff.  So, disagree with the way stats are displayed for this topic.  Ainge will improve.  The reference to Weis is intended to show the difference a good coach can make.  Quinn justed didn't make the numbers.  He made the plays.
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Good points....here here.
 
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At least there was an angle to this one. I think the angle is complete BS, but it is an angle nonetheless.
 
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by BS - do you mean Brent Schaffer cuz if we had him....... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :blink: :blink:
 
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You people are idiots. You "experts" that are clarifying how much Ainge sucks need to be able to eat crow if he turns it around. The FACT of this matter is that you have no idea and David Cutcliffe has forgotten more about football (especially QB position) than you have even known. So, get off your soapbox and let them play themselves out. Its a long time until next season. And, shut the heck up about Crompton starting next season. He is not even throwing a football right now, and probably won't throw a full weight football until mid-January or early-Feb. He will not be prepared to start next season. Ainge could be.
 
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Originally posted by therickbol@Dec 13, 2005 9:35 AM
You people are idiots. You "experts" that are clarifying how much Ainge sucks need to be able to eat crow if he turns it around. The FACT of this matter is that you have no idea and David Cutcliffe has forgotten more about football (especially QB position) than you have even known. So, get off your soapbox and let them play themselves out. Its a long time until next season. And, shut the heck up about Crompton starting next season. He is not even throwing a football right now, and probably won't throw a full weight football until mid-January or early-Feb. He will not be prepared to start next season. Ainge could be.
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Maybe Crompton had his nose in the playbook all this time? I just do not want any semblance of a QB controvery going into next year. Whoever starts the orange & white game needs to start the entire '06 season barring significant injury. ARE YOU LISTENING CUT??? NO QB CONTROVERSY!!!
 
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Oh I think the issue will be resolved. Cut really doesn't want his first move in the off-season to be continuing the Sanders era. He'll separate himself from all of this and make sure he gets the best man for the job.
 
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People forget that Coach Cut spent quite a bit of time with Quinn before the health problems. I think Weiss saw how valuable coach Cutcliff was and wanted him to coach Quinn. I'm starting to think that sonofajohn is nothing more than a troll.
 
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BQ was in a completely different situation in his second year. No rotating in and out of games, no "he's or guy" and then "No HE is our guy".
 
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Or we could be intelligent and recognize that Ainge is Ainge (no comparisons to other QB's). And, with that being the case we can acknowledge that we have no idea how he will respond to a new highly effective QB coach. We can acknowledge that he has the physical tools and now he has a QB coach that can teach him how to properly apply those tools. Will it make Ainge successful? Only way to know is to sit back and wait.
 
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 13, 2005 10:12 AM
He'll separate himself from all of this and make sure he gets the best man for the job.
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I hope so because he was playing 3 QB's in a game at Ole Miss.
 
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Originally posted by OrangeEmpire@Dec 13, 2005 11:40 AM
Forgive my ignorance, but what is a troll?
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A troll is someone who camps out on message boards and posts things just to get people riled up.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 12, 2005 9:43 PM
For those who keep pointing to  what Weiss was able to do with Quinn this year, in hopes of seeing Cut turn Ainge into an All American QB...let's just say Weiss had a lot more to work with.

Quinn

YEAR  CMP  ATT  YDS  CMP%  YPA  LNG  TD  INT  SACK RAT
2003   157  332  1831   47.3   5.52  85     9    15    13   93.52
2004   191  353  2586   54.1   7.33  54   17    10    25 125.87

Ainge

YEAR  CMP  ATT  YDS CMP%  YPA LNG TD  INT  SACK  RAT
2004   109  198  1452  55.1   7.33 60    17   9      5    135.89
2005    66   145   737  45.5   5.08  50    5    7      9    89.94

As you can see, over there first 2 seasons, Ainge and Quinn were moving in opposite directions.  Most of Quinn's improvement can be credited to maturation, he has gotten better every season at ND.  Ainge's problems are that he is a headcase!  Cutcliffe's best option would be to focus on developing Crompton into the 2006 starting QB and let Ainge continue to play shadow basketball on the sidelines.
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I think a better comparison would be...

Quinn

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2003 157 332 1831 47.3 5.52 85 9 15 13 93.52

Ainge

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
04-05 175 343 2189 51.0 6.38 60 22 16 14 116.47

Notice how close the stats are now that you combine Ainge's first two seasons. He really just now has as much experience as Quinn had after 1 season at Notre Dame. Quinn had 332 attempts in his freshman season.... while Ainge only has 343 career attempts.
 
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Ironically, Ainge has started 11 games... the typical number for a full season. As a starter, Ainge has a career record of 8-3.

Last season he was 4-2 and included the loss to Notre Dame, which the Vols were leading when he left the game. He lost his first start, against Auburn. His wins include victories over Georgia and Alabama. His other wins include Ole Miss and South Carolina.

This season he was 4-1 but includes the LSU game when the Vols were behind big time when he left the game. His lone loss was to Notre Dame. His wins include UAB, LSU, Memphis, and Kentucky.
 
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