Ainge Comparisons

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Originally posted by IBleedOrange24/7@Dec 14, 2005 6:53 AM
6-7 Deep? HUH..... :mf_surrender:
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Fayton, Swain, Meachem, Hannon, Briscoe, Bret Smith. Yep, that is 6, and Lucas Taylor was getting into the offensive after the midway point of the season.
 
#52
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 14, 2005 12:03 PM
One minute Sanders is solely responsible for the offense stats and the next minute he's hindered by Fulmer. I'm hearing both out of the mouth of the same person. Since we're big on stats, let's just face it. Since Sanders has been here the offensive production BOTH rushing and receiving has took a downward turn. Now those stats don't lie. So defending Sanders as a guru or better than he was just doesn't add up.

What 'handcuffed' Sanders' offense were penalties, fumbles, dropped balls, overthrown passes.....lack of focus and discipline and a complete disregard for the fundamentals of offense. What 'handcuffed' Sanders' offense was Sanders.
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Please find for me where I said that Randy Sanders was solely responsible for the offensive stats. Good Luck in your Quest.
 
#53
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 13, 2005 11:56 PM
Everything I say on this site is backed up with statistics..
Arian Foster and DeMarcus Cokely
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:lolabove:
 
#54
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Originally posted by milohimself@Dec 14, 2005 2:52 AM
This thread turned ugly...

So everybody just calm down. Cutcliffe is running the offense, not you. Cutcliffe calls the shots. If he says that Ainge is a pro in hiding, I'd suggest you shut your yap and trust him on that assesment. I'm pretty sure he's more qualified at judging talent than any of the schmucks on this board.
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Cut said what about Ainge? :tease2:
 
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Originally posted by wilburnVol@Dec 14, 2005 12:57 PM
Cut said what about Ainge?  :tease2:
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Find me when and where Cutcliffe said that...that article is a complete fabrication...No where in any newspaper, magazine, not on govols xtra.
 
#56
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 14, 2005 2:33 PM
Find me when and where Cutcliffe said that
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I started a thread with that quote, where the hell have you been? :bump3: :bump3: :bump3:
 
#57
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Originally posted by wilburnVol@Dec 14, 2005 1:39 PM
I started a thread with that quote, where the hell have you been?  :bump3:  :bump3:  :bump3:
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Like I said, find me when and where Cutcliffe said that. I am sorry, but in your imagination does not count.
 
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 13, 2005 8:53 PM
Are you kidding me with that last question about Carson Palmer's career?  Until Leinhart, he held every USC career record and 6 Pac-10 career records, including most total offensive yards, most passing yards, most seasons with 2,500 yards of total offense (3.)  That last record alone proves he was more than just a senior year spark.

I love you UT, but that doesn't blind me from the obvious, that the only thing anyone can do with Ainge is hope that he somehow turns around.  Also, don't blame anyone but Ainge for only having 11 starts in 2 years...maybe he should have earned the starting job outright!  The fact is he could never distance himself from Rick Clausen, the QB whom Nick Saban said was not SEC caliber!

The fact is, I despise Ainge.  Not only has he not taken the 2005 season seriously enough to devote himself to becoming a great QB, his being hailed as some kind of Golden Boy sidelined Schaeffer for much of the 2004 season, beginning in the first half of the Florida game.  What were Schaeffers stats for his first 2 games, that were so awful he should have been replaced by Ainge?

UNLV: 
Schaeffer  7for10 123 yds 1 TD 7 rushes 29 yds 1 TD
Ainge      10for17 118 yds 2 TD 

Florida:
Schaeffer  3for4  40 yds  0 TD 7 rushes 38 yds
Ainge      16for24 192 yds 3 TD 1 INT -2 yds rushing

That to me doesn't look so much like Ainge winning the job as much as it looks like the coaching staff playing favorites.  In both games, Schaeffer had a higher completion %, higher yds per completion and attempt, and could run the ball for 4 to 5 yards per carry.  Everyone seems to always point to the Florida game as Ainges crowning moment, yet, I have a hard time canonizing someone after passing for less than 192 yards with a pick.
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2 comments in response.

Carson Palmer's stats for his freshman season were 130-of-235 (55.3%) for 1,755 yards and 7 TDs with 6 interceptions. His second season, and injury redshirt season, he completed 39-of-53 passes (73.6%) for 490 yards with 3 TDs and 3 interceptions. His sophomore season he completed 228-of-415 passes (54.9%) for 2,914 yards and 16 TDs with 18 interceptions. By my count that is 27 interceptions and only 26 TDs. That also includes 397-of-703 (56.5%) for 5159 yards. Not very Heisman like stats.

As far as the Shaeffer vs Ainge comparison, I see that against UNLV, they were both active (either a pass attempt or rush attempt) for 17 plays each and both had 2 TDs each. I think Shaeffer even had 1 more possession than Ainge in that game. Against Florida, Shaeffer was active for 11 plays and led the team to NO touchdowns. Whereas, Ainge was active for 25 plays and scored 3 touchdowns. The biggest difference was that Ainge played almost the entire 2nd half because of Shaeffer's ineffectiveness. If Shaeffer led the team to more scores, he would not have lost the starting position.
 
#59
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 14, 2005 3:17 PM
Like I said, find me when and where Cutcliffe said that.  I am sorry, but in your imagination does not count.
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I am sorry, kind sir, but if you would like a butler, please look in the classifieds. :moon2:
 
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WilburnVol unless you can provide a link I am removing this topic. People are taking this as fact when it's obviously not. Please let me know.
 
#61
#61
Fact: Crompton is NOT throwing a regular college football right now, and he has not thrown once since his surgery. There is talk of him throwing a nerf football by the end of December, but not even that has been decided yet. He will not have a thorwing routine until 2006. You want to throw around fabrication that is your business, I don't care. But, you want to know facts...there they are. That is the words of JC's parents, the doctor who performed the surgery, and the Fulmer.
 
#62
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Originally posted by therickbol@Dec 15, 2005 11:45 AM
Fact: Crompton is NOT throwing a regular college football right now, and he has not thrown once since his surgery.
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I'm telling you that's incorrect. He was throwing a regular football before the Vandy game. I saw it with my own two eyes...and I have it on video. Wanna make a wager???
 
#63
#63
This is you before a QB thread on Volnation :D

This is you after you read the posts that go on and on and on and on about them :crazy:

Any Questions?????
 
#66
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Dec 15, 2005 12:51 PM
I'm telling you that's incorrect.  He was throwing a regular football before the Vandy game.  I saw it with my own two eyes...and I have it on video.  Wanna make a wager???
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According to a Nov. 17 article in the News Sentinel (written by Dave Hooker,) Crompton will be throwing a nerf ball by the end of December, a real football in January, and be 100% by the start of spring practice in March as stated by his mother and his surgeon. The Vandy game was after Nov. 17, so who knows, maybe he was throwing. The important thing to note here is he will be 100% by the time spring practice starts. Also, while Ainge will be working out mainly on his own and with teammates, Crompton because he is still taking part in rehab will have more access to the coaching staff, and anyone who has ever rehabbed before understands how much more rigorous of a workout those sessions are. I look for Crompton to win the starting job by the end of spring practice.
 
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Are we seriously arguing what type of balls are being tossed around?

How about this? I look forward to David Cutcliffe doing his job and not only analyzing the current talent, but working with ALL of them on ALL aspects of their performance and THEN making HIS best assessment over who will start based on ALL aspects of the player.

Rehab is not always a guarantee. Some people have the best rehab out there and will lose the edge they once had. They may have the fear of reinjury, they may be too strong and not used to their new power and overcompensate, or they just may tank and never be the way they once were. We can sit there and make assumptions all day. I will defer to the man who's getting paid to figure this out. I think Cut will do a much better job of figuring the problems out and making the best call on who will start next season.
 
#68
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 15, 2005 12:18 PM
Are we seriously arguing what type of balls are being tossed around?

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Nope, I'm just saying that I saw and recorded him throwing a real football. I just don't like that therickbol is trying to convince me that I'm crazy and am seeing things and fabricating stories. :crazy:
 
#69
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 15, 2005 1:18 PM
Are we seriously arguing what type of balls are being tossed around?

How about this? I look forward to David Cutcliffe doing his job and not only analyzing the current talent, but working with ALL of them on ALL aspects of their performance and THEN making HIS best assessment over who will start based on ALL aspects of the player.

Rehab is not always a guarantee. Some people have the best rehab out there and will lose the edge they once had. They may have the fear of reinjury, they may be too strong and not used to their new power and overcompensate, or they just may tank and never be the way they once were. We can sit there and make assumptions all day. I will defer to the man who's getting paid to figure this out. I think Cut will do a much better job of figuring the problems out and making the best call on who will start next season.
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Pretty much the whole point of these boards is discussion about the past, present, and future sitatuation of Tennessee sports. That means that people are going to voice their opinions (hopefully supported by evidence) and perceptions about what has, what is, and what will go on with the Vols. The question is, why are you on this board if all you want is for people to stop talking about what might happen? Are you waiting for Cutcliffe or Fulmer to sign up to Volnation and give us exclusive first alert news that Crompton is or isn't going to start?
 
#70
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 15, 2005 12:52 PM
Pretty much the whole point of these boards is discussion about the past, present, and future sitatuation of Tennessee sports.  That means that people are going to voice their opinions (hopefully supported by evidence) and perceptions about what has, what is, and what will go on with the Vols.  The question is, why are you on this board if all you want is for people to stop talking about what might happen?  Are you waiting for Cutcliffe or Fulmer to sign up to Volnation and give us exclusive first alert news that Crompton is or isn't going to start?
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Look man I'm not the one who's been on numerous posts so belligerent about tongue-in-cheek comments or even joke posts in light-hearted fun. This board is slightly limited with a lot of it NOT backed up by fact but some opinions, jokes, and personal commentary.

I have no problem with anyone talking about what might happen. I'm not the one who jumps on people's cases who just are making their opinions known and what they'd like to see. You're the one who is so stuck on this "evidence" and "fact" kick that attempts to make people look stupid for just saying "how about we wait and see" rather than "This is what's going to happen because I say so".
 
#71
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 15, 2005 1:58 PM
Look man I'm not the one who's been on numerous posts so belligerent about tongue-in-cheek comments or even joke posts in light-hearted fun. This board is slightly limited with a lot of it NOT backed up by fact but some opinions, jokes, and personal commentary.

I have no problem with anyone talking about what might happen. I'm not the one who jumps on people's cases who just are making their opinions known and what they'd like to see. You're the one who is so stuck on this "evidence" and "fact" kick that attempts to make people look stupid for just saying "how about we wait and see" rather than "This is what's going to happen because I say so".
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I am very committed to evidence and facts. I guess that is somehow an insult in your world.
 
#72
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 15, 2005 1:07 PM
I am very committed to evidence and facts.  I guess that is somehow an insult in your world.
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No not an insult. I just choose to have normal human interaction a lot that always doesn't have to have a research paper copy submitted to each of my friends at the poker table, in front of the TV on Sunday afternoon, or at the bar.
 
#73
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Dec 15, 2005 2:13 PM
No not an insult. I just choose to have normal human interaction a lot that always doesn't have to have a research paper copy submitted to each of my friends at the poker table, in front of the TV on Sunday afternoon, or at the bar.
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Well, I choose to hang out with people that make it a priority to stay informed about the subject matter which they discuss. Why would I actually listen or participate in any conversation in which the people talking had only the feintest idea of what they were talking about?
 
#74
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Originally posted by sonofajohn@Dec 15, 2005 1:25 PM
Well, I choose to hang out with people that make it a priority to stay informed about the subject matter which they discuss.  Why would I actually listen or participate in any conversation in which the people talking had only the feintest idea of what they were talking about?
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I don't know. I give up. Why would you? Are you saying the people on this board who you've been ranting about have the faintest idea of what they're talking about?
 
#75
#75
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=490868

"However, it is not all about Ainge. Redshirt freshman Jonathan Crompton continues to rehab after shoulder surgery and despite not throwing yet, Crompton is champing at the bit for the spring competition. Crompton will start throwing at the end of the month and hopes to be near one hundred 100 percent by spring practice."
 
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