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I went to school with Mr Garza...he was a very good wrestler and very intelligent...went to Vandy on a scholastic scholarship I believe...was always a standup guy...haven't seen him in a long time but I would wager he still is...

But it is Ironic that he is one of the sponsors lol
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
I went to school with Mr Garza...he was a very good wrestler and very intelligent...went to Vandy on a scholastic scholarship I believe...was always a standup guy...haven't seen him in a long time but I would wager he still is...

But it is Ironic that he is one of the sponsors lol
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I saw him a couple of months ago at the barber shop he is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet and he's extremely sharp. The posts referring to him as ambulance chaser obviously don't come anyone who knows him. His brother was also a really good wrestler out of McMinn County. Ainge just might be able to get out of trouble if it is Marcos representing him. I figured he'd get Bosch or one of the other usual suspects to rep him on this one. on a side note if you have the tsr app I'm pretty sure you can contact Marcos directly if you are pulled over..... that's pro.... lmao
 
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UTProf said:
I wish there wasn't so much polarization when arguments like this come up. I know we all make assumptions but for the record I also don't trust police when it comes to DUIs/drugs. I DO trust them on most other things and don't hate police at all. A close relative is an officer and a fine one at that and I've met numerous outstanding officers, including a KPD officer who was incredibly kind and helpful and I owe more than words can express to one LEO (my personal hero). Unfortunately, there's also a lot wrong with how police operate in our area as well as throughout the country and that leads to a lot of distrust. There's also a ton of corrupt little towns around here that only hire people to run their cons or overlook them (and that's at every position in their town from sewer workers all the way to police officers).

Because there's so much power in carrying a badge and a gun, law enforcement has a tendency to draw from a pool of those who are either truly heroic or bullies by nature. We need more heroes and we need our sheriffs and chiefs to set policies that better screen out the bullies. RICO and seizure laws also provide too much incentive for those departments and towns that are corrupt or are in dire financial straits and we need stronger rules there regarding what and who qualifies.

We have to find a way to balance abuses of the system with catching the true bad guys and doesn't incentivize corruption. That goes for politics, governments and the police.
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Great read. And I agree wholeheartedly. May I add there needs to be more accountability than a person just gets off because of an improper arrest. Police officers should be admonished for improperly seizing and detaining a citizen if it is found at a later time they didn't have the right to do so. A better system of checks and balances would help reestablish public trust in the law enforcement they pay to do a job.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I really doubt. Idk if it will be a jury trial, but if I were a jury his refusal to take a blood alcohol test would be pretty darn condemning to me.
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This wouldn't go to a jury trial unless he ran someone over or something.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Great read. And I agree wholeheartedly. May I add there needs to be more accountability than a person just gets off because of an improper arrest. Police officers should be admonished for improperly seizing and detaining a citizen if it is found at a later time they didn't have the right to do so. A better system of checks and balances would help reestablish public trust in the law enforcement they pay to do a job.
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Totally agree. If the people saw officers who mess up getting punished, admonished, or even publicly apologizing more often it would go a long way to rebuild trust and that benefits everyone and even makes the job of an officer easier. I think if we held officers to account on the little things that the discipline it would establish in a department would help prevent mistakes on big issues as well as future small mistakes.

I don't know what sort of specific system needs to be implemented other than one of checks and balances like you mention but I think our country will be better off when civilians and officers trust one another first.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I really doubt. Idk if it will be a jury trial, but if I were a jury his refusal to take a blood alcohol test would be pretty darn condemning to me.
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This is the kind of brainwashed thinking that permeates what has nearly become a police state. It's your right to not take any tests, to make no conversation or representations, to the police when you are under suspicion of any crime. It's the best course of action to STFU and let happen what is going to happen.

Sheesh. :ermm:
 
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VolBraniac said:
This is the kind of brainwashed thinking that permeates what has nearly become a police state. It's your right to not take any tests, to make no conversation or representations, to the police when you are under suspicion of any crime. It's the best course of action to STFU and let happen what is going to happen.

Sheesh. :ermm:
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Now i wonder if the cop read him his rights - sometimes a slacker cop can forget and if there was no witness to the reading --- case dismissed.
 
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sanddune50 said:
May I add there needs to be more accountability than a person just gets off because of an improper arrest. Police officers should be admonished for improperly seizing and detaining a citizen if it is found at a later time they didn't have the right to do so. A better system of checks and balances would help reestablish public trust in the law enforcement they pay to do a job.
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That ain't happening, the police have steadfastly refused to remediate themselves and who else is going to step in and do it? Our worthless politicians? :eek:lol:

Public trust, rightfully, is gone and gone permanently.

Learn what your rights are. Don't fail to demand them and to have them enforced. It's the only chance you have in a DUI situation where the laws are heavily stacked against you, the police are taught how to trick you and the courts can't wait to convict you...if you slip up.
 
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UTProf said:
Totally agree. If the people saw officers who mess up getting punished, admonished, or even publicly apologizing more often it would go a long way to rebuild trust and that benefits everyone and even makes the job of an officer easier. I think if we held officers to account on the little things that the discipline it would establish in a department would help prevent mistakes on big issues as well as future small mistakes.

I don't know what sort of specific system needs to be implemented other than one of checks and balances like you mention but I think our country will be better off when civilians and officers trust one another first.
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Are you kidding me? Lawyers attack the police all the time if they are up againest a soild case. Anything to get a defentant off. They attack the police stop, the approach, their character, their home life, etc.. You wouldn't have any police left if they got punished everytime they lost a case due to a lawyer twisting the facts around. The police already get punished enough over mistakes. When a normal person makes a big mistake they get warned, wrote up, or fired. When the police do, they also get wrote up, fired, etc. But that mistake often makes the front page of the paper or the news at 7. Then the people in the public that don't know any better tune in like it's a episode of Jerry Springer. News agencys manipulating police storys for ratings are also a huge reason for police distrust. The point is just like everyone else in the world, they can and do make mistakes, only they are already punished more then a normal person already. Adding to that would be crossing the line.
 
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I think a lot of people have a distrust of the police forces around East TN when you see things like the shootings of the last 2 weeks, tons of theft and robberies, etc coupled with them trumpeting their arrests of 150 guys trying to buy craigslist hookers or busting up poker games.

Yes, those are illegal acts, but sometimes it seems like a lack of prioritization.
 
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WallyBalls said:
I think a lot of people have a distrust of the police forces around East TN when you see things like the shootings of the last 2 weeks, tons of theft and robberies, etc coupled with them trumpeting their arrests of 150 guys trying to buy craigslist hookers or busting up poker games.

Yes, those are illegal acts, but sometimes it seems like a lack of prioritization.
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You wint get a argument from me on that point, except for the shootings. I don't know anything about that. I do know that almost all the shootings I have seen have been justified tough.

But I agree with you. Police resources are directed in the wrong direction sometimes. But I consider myself to be a social libertarian at times.
 
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volsincebirth said:
You wint get a argument from me on that point, except for the shootings. I don't know anything about that. I do know that almost all the shootings I have seen have been justified tough.

But I agree with you. Police resources are directed in the wrong direction sometimes. But I consider myself to be a social libertarian at times.
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Same here.

The shootings were in the 'normal' places, but apparently KPD saw fit to call a presser today to address them. I guess there's been a rash of them and nobody feels very chatty about anything that's happened.
 
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VolBraniac said:
This is the kind of brainwashed thinking that permeates what has nearly become a police state. It's your right to not take any tests, to make no conversation or representations, to the police when you are under suspicion of any crime. It's the best course of action to STFU and let happen what is going to happen.

Sheesh. :ermm:
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Implied consent laws disagree with your notion that "it's your right" not to take a test.
 
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WallyBalls said:
I think a lot of people have a distrust of the police forces around East TN when you see things like the shootings of the last 2 weeks, tons of theft and robberies, etc coupled with them trumpeting their arrests of 150 guys trying to buy craigslist hookers or busting up poker games.

Yes, those are illegal acts, but sometimes it seems like a lack of prioritization.
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Shootings, burglaries, and thefts are some of the hardest crimes to prevent because they are usually spur of the moment and extremely random.

Most departments try to use some sort of crime mapping to try and predict where these crimes may happen, but its still a hit and miss.

Saturation patrols work for a while, but the perps will move their operations to where the police presence is lighter.

Regardless of what people see on T.V., we don't have precogs, laying in a pool of water, telling us where the next crime will occur

On average, a department has 2 officers per 1000 citizens. Some places have more, some less.
 
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I believe there is some good cops,but there are some Barney Fifes too. But,our court system is broken it's all about the mighty dollar.I seen a woman charged with a DUI who blew .00%,all if takes if you tell the officer you have been drinking. Ask any good DUI lawyer and they will tell ya the same.
 
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If EA is found guilty and since he has had some past troubles does he get max time in jail? 30 days or something like that?
 
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CountVolcula said:
Shootings, burglaries, and thefts are some of the hardest crimes to prevent because they are usually spur of the moment and extremely random.

Most departments try to use some sort of crime mapping to try and predict where these crimes may happen, but its still a hit and miss.

Saturation patrols work for a while, but the perps will move their operations to where the police presence is lighter.

Regardless of what people see on T.V., we don't have precogs, laying in a pool of water, telling us where the next crime will occur

On average, a department has 2 officers per 1000 citizens. Some places have more, some less.
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I realize that. I was speaking more to the frustration people feel when they call to report something to law enforcement (either ongoing like a suspicious person/loud party or something that's already happened like theft) and get an indifferent shrug.

Not all do it, but the "file a report, we'll look into it" types really bring down respect...
 
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SkittyD said:
I believe there is some good cops,but there are some Barney Fifes too. But,our court system is broken it's all about the mighty dollar.I seen a woman charged with a DUI who blew .00%,all if takes if you tell the officer you have been drinking. Ask any good DUI lawyer and they will tell ya the same.
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You can get a DUI even if you blow .00%. This is not uncommon

A breath test only gives the alcohol content in deep lung breath. The content is equal to the percentage in blood. A breath test is useless if the person is intoxicated on meds or any illegal narcotic

The best practice is if the person shows all the signs of intoxication during the FSTs, and there is no odor of alcohol, then blood should be drawn. Then the officer would indicate that the lab should test for presence of narcotics, prescription meds, and alcohol.

The officer has the right to ask the offender to submit to either a breath or blood. It is not the choice of the offender. This is due to the fact that a person who is high on narcotics or meds will likely submit to a breath test, knowing that it will show no alcohol and thus be a .00.

When it comes to Implied Consent, a person has no defense if they say " They agreed to submit to a breath test but not a blood test".
 
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WallyBalls said:
I realize that. I was speaking more to the frustration people feel when they call to report something to law enforcement (either ongoing like a suspicious person/loud party or something that's already happened like theft) and get an indifferent shrug.

Not all do it, but the "file a report, we'll look into it" types really bring down respect...
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This is a management issue a lot of departments face. It is one that frustrates us as much as it does the citizens.
 
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SkittyD said:
I believe there is some good cops,but there are some Barney Fifes too. But,our court system is broken it's all about the mighty dollar.I seen a woman charged with a DUI who blew .00%,all if takes if you tell the officer you have been drinking. Ask any good DUI lawyer and they will tell ya the same.
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That women was probably high as hell
 
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One thing I didn't see mentioned here: if you have a DUI on your record, it's a lot worse than fines, X hours in jail, DUI school, and a year of ignition interlock (which you pay for): good luck in getting a new job. If you acknowledge conviction for a DUI on a job app, you won't even get an interview. Think about that when deciding whether or not to fight.

I don't hold with drunk driving at all, but lets think about the consequences of continually dropping the permissible BAL. Don't we have enough unemployment and underemployment?
 
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