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How would building or not building programs be a different discussion than previous success? If you wanted to outline Nick Saban's previous success, would you not, at some point in your argument, say something like "oh yeah, and he rebuilt LSU and Alabama after the guys before him tore them down." That's a example of his previous success and something Butch Jones will have to do in the future if he is going to be successful. If you don't think it's important, fine, but I certainly do.
We. Weren't. Talking. About. Rebuilding. If you want, how about the rebuilding job Butch did at Cincy? His first year, after Kelly left for ND, Butch was 4-8 after Kelly left him with little to no talent. The next year Cincy was 10-3 and Butch was Big East coach of the year. The next year, he was 9-3 before leaving to take UT job. There. There's your freakin rebuild chief. Go ahead and change the subject again now.
If all you have is what you've presented, obviously I would find something wrong with it. I already have. Everything I have found wrong with it has been supported by pointing out what is actually wrong, irrational, illogical, fallacious, and unsupported about it. Unlike you, I didn't resort to "I think, and you think, so..."
You have presented a series of arguments that have failed at every turn. You are well advised to leave it at that.
We. Weren't. Talking. About. Rebuilding. If you want, how about the rebuilding job Butch did at Cincy? His first year, after Kelly left for ND, Butch was 4-8 after Kelly left him with little to no talent. The next year Cincy was 10-3 and Butch was Big East coach of the year. The next year, he was 9-3 before leaving to take UT job. There. There's your freakin rebuild chief. Go ahead and change the subject again now.
legions of doom always support each other.
And by the way, it's my university, not yours. You have nothing to do with UT. Not a student. Not an alumnus. Not a season ticket holder. Not a donor. Just a ky citizen that had to choose a football team a few years ago, picked the vols, and now bless us with your brilliance.
And people accuse me of not doing research
So Kelly didn't leave to go to ND? Butch didn't go 4-8 his first year? Butch didn't go 10-3 and he wasn't BE coach of the year his second year? And finally, Butch didn't go 9-3 before taking the UT job? What was I thinking? Oh yeah, this ..... Research (Noun) The systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions.
In other words, I investigated what Cincys records were during Kelly's last year and Butchs 3 years, I read that Butch was left with very few returning starters, I noticed that his record after the first year was much better and concluded that he "rebuilt" the program by taking a 4-8 team to 10-3 and 9-3. How about that chief? By the way, the reason why people say you don't do research ( and we sure as hell do) is because you wouldn't know a logical argument supported by facts if it bit you in the arse. No offense.
Why does it always boil down to money with you? You just took a dump on the vast majority of Vol fans with this post. Speaks volumes.
The meltdown over the departure of a running back coach, the easiest position to fill on a staff, is beyond belief