Air Force Is Awful Update

#26
#26
hatvol96 said:
I'm sorry, I'm laughing uncontrollably at your attempt to pass UGA and Cal off as legit top 10 teams.
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Hat,

(Don't know why I am wasting my time), but you can't Trumpet Air Force's lameness, AND ignore Cals success since they both played us.

But i am sure you will continue to blow it out both of your ends.
 
#27
#27
See the whole margin of victory is another problematic concept when people are deciding on how good certain teams are. Anybody who coaches knows that teams, in any sport, always have games where they play poorly. It happened in '98 when we won the NC. It happened to Texas last season. It happens every year, and to great teams. The two important factors to focus on is 1.) did they scratch and claw and find a way to win when they played poorly and 2.) did they perform in future games in a way that demonstrates that they near-loss was an exception and not a trend. That is what got USC this year. They were good at #1 because they kept finding ways to win close ball games, but they from one week to the next they never rebounded and showed that they were a better team than they had looked like the previous week.
 
#29
#29
One day the Vol defense is going to figure out the option and such games won't even be close.
 
#30
#30
Ol' AFA has definitely been up and down. Its tough when you have no D to speak of.

As long as they beat Notre Dame, or at least beat them up...
 
#31
#31
JonWard said:
Hat,

(Don't know why I am wasting my time), but you can't Trumpet Air Force's lameness, AND ignore Cals toughness since they both played us.

But i am sure you will continue to blow it out both of your ends.
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What are you talking about? Show me an impressive win by Cal. While you're at it, show me any evidence that Air force isn't pathetic. I actually look at results as they are, not as I wish they were.
 
#32
#32
therickbol said:
See the whole margin of victory is another problematic concept when people are deciding on how good certain teams are. Anybody who coaches knows that teams, in any sport, always have games where they play poorly. It happened in '98 when we won the NC. It happened to Texas last season. It happens every year, and to great teams. The two important factors to focus on is 1.) did they scratch and claw and find a way to win when they played poorly and 2.) did they perform in future games in a way that demonstrates that they near-loss was an exception and not a trend. That is what got USC this year. They were good at #1 because they kept finding ways to win close ball games, but they from one week to the next they never rebounded and showed that they were a better team than they had looked like the previous week.
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The teams we played close games with in '98 were all good teams. We annihilated the weaklings on the schedule. Exactly what bad team played Texas close last year?
 
#33
#33
hatvol96 said:
If Cal wins at SC, I'll give them credit. Otherwise, they will have gone the entire season without beating a good team.
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Using that same logic, if we beat LSU it proves nothing, because they will have gone the entire season without beating a good team.
 
#34
#34
Volmania said:
Using that same logic, if we beat LSU it proves nothing, because they will have gone the entire season without beating a good team.
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LSU has played at top 10 team to the gun on the road. That's far more impressive than any win on Cal's resume. LSU also would still have Arkansas on their schedule.
 
#35
#35
UTK is not a NC caliber team this year, so its not comparing apples to apples. My point was that just because a young team played very poorly in one game against a horrible opponent and found a way to win does not mean as much when comparing that team to other teams as most like to presume. Air Force sucks, bottom line. Nobody denies that. UTK played piss poor in that game. Nobody denies that. But, does that diminish UTK's entire body of work for the season? No. If they continued to play the rest of the season as poorly as they did in that game UTK would be 2-6 right now. So, obviously that game was the exception and not the trend.
 
#36
#36
hatvol96 said:
What are you talking about? Show me an impressive win by Cal. While you're at it, show me any evidence that Air force isn't pathetic. I actually look at results as they are, not as I wish they were.
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I would classify 7 straight wins by 30 or more points as somewhat impressive.

AF is Pathetic.
 
#37
#37
I never said USAFA was a good team or not horrible. But they did play a good game and we were not ready for the option. My point is don't act like we don't have as much room to talk as Texass. Or any other 1 loss team except UF.
 
#38
#38
therickbol said:
UTK is not a NC caliber team this year, so its not comparing apples to apples. My point was that just because a young team played very poorly in one game against a horrible opponent and found a way to win does not mean as much when comparing that team to other teams as most like to presume. Air Force sucks, bottom line. Nobody denies that. UTK played piss poor in that game. Nobody denies that. But, does that diminish UTK's entire body of work for the season? No. If they continued to play the rest of the season as poorly as they did in that game UTK would be 2-6 right now. So, obviously that game was the exception and not the trend.
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I agree. I'm simply pointing out that Air Force being so awful works as a drag on UT's perception in some quarters, especially among voters and pundits in the Mountain and Pacific time zones.
 
#39
#39
VolBeef88 said:
I never said USAFA was a good team or not horrible. But they did play a good game and we were not ready for the option. My point is don't act like we don't have as much room to talk as Texass. Or any other 1 loss team except UF.
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I didn't say otherwise. I'm just pointing out Exhibit A in the case others will use to place other teams ahead of UT.
 
#42
#42
I do agree that, in the situation with ranking, the Air Force game performance along UGA's collapse and close calls against inferior opponents in Alabama and South Carolina certainly hurts in the eyes of analysts and sports reporters. My point is they are wrong in their reasoning. USC still where they are at after 3 straight close calls against poor teams, and then a loss to Oregon State is laughable.
 
#43
#43
therickbol said:
I do agree that, in the situation with ranking, the Air Force game performance along UGA's collapse and close calls against inferior opponents in Alabama and South Carolina certainly hurts in the eyes of analysts and sports reporters. My point is they are wrong in their reasoning. USC still where they are at after 3 straight close calls against poor teams, and then a loss to Oregon State is laughable.
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Oregon State would beat Air Force by four touchdowns.
 
#45
#45
So, before the Carolina game, Steve Superior's boys were all the experts' hot upset pick for the week.

Then, after the Carolina game, the Vols are to be somehow penalized for winning the game by seven?

:no:
 
#46
#46
UTK did not lose to Air Force. USC lost to Oregon State. UTK lost to Florida. I think I see the point you are making though. Beating Air Force by 1 point is less impressive than losing to Oregon State by 2 points? But, the record shows a win nonetheless. UTK's record shows a win against every team except a Top 5 Florida team. And they have shown that the play against Air Force was an abberation with the results of the games on the schedule after the Air Force game.
 
#47
#47
orange+white=heaven said:
So, before the Carolina game, Steve Superior's boys were all the experts' hot upset pick for the week.

Then, after the Carolina game, the Vols are to be somehow penalized for winning the game by seven?

:no:
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Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
 
#48
#48
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