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Tyler Durden said:
Imagine if the money that goes towards the systematic abuse, impoverishment, and imprisonment of those communities went to something positive. Like education for instance.
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It wouldn't be enough to make a difference. In the meantime the current residents would be sentenced to Mad Max.
 
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C-south said:
It’s a cultural problem not a money problem. You can throw all the money you want at education in these areas and it won’t make a difference. If you look at the looting and rioting videos from last summer and the past few days you’ll notice striking similarities.
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yeah, similarities like people being pissed off that the cops killed an innocent again
 
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allvol123 said:
It sucks. But put on some big girl panties. Plenty of groups have bad things happen to "their" group, but they dont take to rioting as SOP.
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I'm not rioting so not sure why you talking to me like I am. I just noticed the similarities
 
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C-south said:
It’s a cultural problem not a money problem. You can throw all the money you want at education in these areas and it won’t make a difference. If you look at the looting and rioting videos from last summer and the past few days you’ll notice striking similarities.
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This really is a gem of a comment.

First sentence you suggest that some people are more culturally prone to crime, why don't you just go ahead and say what you want to there without holding back.

Second sentence you say increasing education levels won't do anything to reduce crime. That is just objectively false.

Looking at The Correlation Between Crime and Education

Third sentence you suggest the people who are being systematically targeted and murdered by police shouldn't be upset by the fact that they're being systematically targeted and murdered by police.
 
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People making the point on TV that it was just a misdemeanor warrant they could have gotten him later.

No. No. No.

A warrant is a command from a court to take someone into custody. There is no discretion to "deal with it later."

And no, he was not shot because he had a warrant.

He was shot by accident because the force intemded to be used was to incapacitate him and there was a mistake.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
This really is a gem of a comment.

First sentence you suggest that some people are more culturally prone to crime, why don't you just go ahead and say what you want to there without holding back.

Second sentence you say increasing education levels won't do anything to reduce crime. That is just objectively false.

Looking at The Correlation Between Crime and Education

Third sentence you suggest the people who are being systematically targeted and murdered by police shouldn't be upset by the fact that they're being systematically targeted and murdered by police.
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My god you’re ignorant.....at best.
 
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volinbham said:
depends on the violence - does resisting arrest justify death? I'm just saying that violence is less likely if routine stops aren't a predicate to arrest someone for something unrelated to the stop.

in the bigger picture it seems we are using traffic stops to catch people guilty of other things. If the person has outstanding warrants then go serve them rather than wait to get them when you pull them over for a traffic stop.

I'm not 100% sold on my idea - just playing with the problem to find a better solution.

It's like our health insurance being tied to our work - it's that way because of choices long ago and it's tough to unwind but no one would design it that way today. Treating traffic stops as traffic stops might be a better way of doing things.
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So we wouldn’t have got Timothy Mcveigh or the DC snipers or Ted bundy because they were pulled over for minor traffic violations? Think about how dumb that sounds
 
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Tyler Durden said:
This really is a gem of a comment.

First sentence you suggest that some people are more culturally prone to crime, why don't you just go ahead and say what you want to there without holding back.

Second sentence you say increasing education levels won't do anything to reduce crime. That is just objectively false.

Looking at The Correlation Between Crime and Education

Third sentence you suggest the people who are being systematically targeted and murdered by police shouldn't be upset by the fact that they're being systematically targeted and murdered by police.
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First Item: he may very well be right. Pretty much accepted fatherless homes produce more criminals. No segment has more than Blacks.

Second item: he absolutely did not say what you claim was said. Re-read it slowly.

Third item: patently false.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Because of lawyers departments will be liable if that person then goes and robs, kills, assaults etc right after this encounter. And because criminals would never be apprehended and run every single time causing more dangerous situations
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And you risk a police or civilian shooting and a city being burned to the ground if the other choice is made.
 
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Tastylicks said:
I also think all officers should be required to have a bachelor's degree, FYI. Another proposal of mine.

We make sure all our other figures of authority: judges, teachers, detectives, paramedics, etc are all educated but somehow the guy/girls with the guns dont have to be. its crazy IMO
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LOL

Since when did a college degree guarantee common sense and emotional stability?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I deal with the after-effects of this improper and illogical equating of cases all day long, very day. Its very frustrating to me that both sides of this debate want to take the one or two things in common with them to weave an overall narrative when even a cursory examination of the facts reveals they are different at a fundamental level.

Example: People lumping in the Floyd case, or the recent Wright shooting case near there, with the traffic stop gone awry of the US Army officer in Virginia.

The right: They failed to comply and that is what caused the problem.

The left: They were black men mistreated by the police who are racist.

The defect in the reasoning of the right is that Wright violently resisted arrest during his traffic stop, justifying one degree of force; Floyd resisted his arrest at a low level, but then stopped, and the Army officer did the wrong thing by defying the traffic stop and then repeatedly refusing lawful orders to get out of the vehicle, which in my view justified the use of OC spray and in fact his case is really not about use of force, at all.

Each case was a different use of force, in response to different resistance, over different periods of time. You cannot say simply:"They should not have resisted" because its is more complicated than that.

The defect in the reasoning of the left is ultimately similar. Floyd resisted for a time, but then stopped and force was still intentionally used over a period of time. In the case of Wright, the officer reacted to a sudden and urgent situation thrust upon the officers when Wright escaped lawful arrest on the warrant, struggled to get away, and got back in the car. That officer had maybe 2 seconds to react, not nine minutes. And the Army officer did just about everything wrong. His claim has no merit at all, as far as I can see.


But in the end, as long as people pick and choose the details they like to weave a story, divorced from the full context of each situation, then that argument is due no weight.
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Yeah, I feel you. What I don’t understand is why you don’t apply this same logic to other areas.
 
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C-south said:
It’s a cultural problem not a money problem. You can throw all the money you want at education in these areas and it won’t make a difference. If you look at the looting and rioting videos from last summer and the past few days you’ll notice striking similarities.
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I agree.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Unfortunately, the way law enforcement as a whole has been demonized, being more selective isn't really going to be in the cards at the moment.

Trust me, I agree with you on principle, but it's not going to get any better.
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Yeah, no one wants those jobs now for sure. It’ll eventually come back around to being more desired but it’ll be a while.
 
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