AJ Johnson baptized (video)

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crusse10 said:
So since he was baptized on Sunday and he hasn't entered a guilty plea, you are 100% sure that the only options are that the baptism was a sham OR he didn't do it?

Also, do you refute that it talks about the gravity of the sin being different?
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All sin is weighted the same with the exception of murder so yea we will put a disclaimer in there haha. But then if you look at the old testament and the 10 commandments then what? We can go back and forth on this all day, but the main point I wanted to make to you is you can't loose gods grace. I mean theres only been one man to walk this earth that was without sin. God hates the sin not the sinner, god gave us free will he knows we will stray from time to time but its his grace that brings us back every time. So yes even if AJ is found guilty he is still forgiven by his father in heaven.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
All sin is weighted the same with the exception of murder so yea we will put a disclaimer in there haha. But then if you look at the old testament and the 10 commandments then what? We can go back and forth on this all day, but the main point I wanted to make to you is you can't loose gods grace. I mean theres only been one man to walk this earth that was without sin. God hates the sin not the sinner, god gave us free will he knows we will stray from time to time but its his grace that brings us back every time. So yes even if AJ is found guilty he is still forgiven by his father in heaven.
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look, I 100% agree that if AJ did it and he accepts fault and admits to it and makes amends for it and asks for forgiveness, that God will have already forgiven him. That's the only way. As I put it already, God's hand is outreached. Not reaching 100% is the fault of the person. So if AJ did it and doesn't metaphorically reach 100% of the way by not admitting that he did it and lives the rest of his life lying, he won't be saved on his own accord.
 
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crusse10 said:
Again, baptism and a profession of faith is not a Get Out Of Jail Free card. It just doesn't work that way. If you don't admit to your sins and repent and seek forgiveness, you aren't forthright in your actions from the get go. And that, God knows. If he did it and never comes clean, God will not look on those actions favorably. I'm honestly shocked that you're arguing against the stance that being a good person and admitting your faults is a prereq to heaven.
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I'm not arguing with that, I'm arguing with how in the world do you know he wasn't sincere in his baptism and salvation? How do you know he didn't admit all of his sins in prayer when he invited jesus in his heart? The whole premise behind this is you are assuming AJ's baptism and salvation not to be recognized in heaven because you are assuming his guilt. When the truth is you don't know either to be true and neither do I.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I'm not arguing with that, I'm arguing with how in the world do you know he wasn't sincere in his baptism and salvation? How do you know he didn't admit all of his sins in prayer when he invited jesus in his heart? The whole premise behind this is you are assuming AJ's baptism and salvation not to be recognized in heaven because you are assuming his guilt. When the truth is you don't know either to be true and neither do I.
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From the get go, you said that no matter what, he's good with God. I find that to be hot garbage. I then offered a scenario in which he would not be good with God. That scenario is committing the crime and lying for the rest of his life by saying that he is innocent. I agree that neither of us knows whether he did it or not. That's why it's obscene of you to state that no matter what, he's fine by God.

And if he did it and he confessed his crimes to God and never confessed them to anyone else, he's lying for the rest of his life. And say, for instance, that he gets off because of a lack of evidence. Now not only will he maintain his innocence, but his victim receives no justice and is deemed the bad person. That's no way to get into heaven.
 
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crusse10 said:
From the get go, you said that no matter what, he's good with God. I find that to be hot garbage. I then offered a scenario in which he would not be good with God. That scenario is committing the crime and lying for the rest of his life by saying that he is innocent. I agree that neither of us knows whether he did it or not. That's why it's obscene of you to state that no matter what, he's fine by God.

And if he did it and he confessed his crimes to God and never confessed them to anyone else, he's lying for the rest of his life. And say, for instance, that he gets off because of a lack of evidence. Now not only will he maintain his innocence, but his victim receives no justice and is deemed the bad person. That's no way to get into heaven.
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I understand what your saying but let's just wait and see what comes of the hearings then we will pick this conversation back up. Right now all this talk is based on the presumption that he's guilty.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I understand what your saying but let's just wait and see what comes of the hearings then we will pick this conversation back up. Right now all this talk is based on the presumption that he's guilty.
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talk to the other side is basically presumption that the girl is lying
 
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Confessing your sins in a public court of law is certainly not a requirement for God's saving Grace. If that were required of us, we'd all likely be single, unemployed, unable to drive, and probably incarcerated.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Confessing your sins in a public court of law is certainly not a requirement for God's saving Grace. If that were required of us, we'd all likely be single, unemployed, unable to drive, and probably incarcerated.
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Keeping silent your sins that directly affect others to make your life easier, though, is not living a Christian life. And not only keeping them silent, but lying about them openly, in my opinion, is even worse.
 
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Well hell, this preachers daughter is recommending that this Sunday you boys fill the altars up and publically confess all your **** too.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
Well hell, this preachers daughter is recommending that this Sunday you boys fill the altars up and publically confess all your **** too.
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If a sin of yours harms another person and you maintain innocence because there might not be enough evidence to implicate you, then yes. Because your silence can only lead to the pain and suffering of others. In this instance, if he did it and gets off, his lie of claiming innocence hurts the victim for the rest of her life, not only emotionally, but in the eyes of others.
 
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crusse10 said:
Keeping silent your sins that directly affect others to make your life easier, though, is not living a Christian life. And not only keeping them silent, but lying about them openly, in my opinion, is even worse.
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I just want to say it's pretty obvious most here are greatly over-complicating what from the beginning was a rather simple concept you put forth.
 
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crusse10 said:
talk to the other side is basically presumption that the girl is lying
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I don't believe either to be the case because I don't know, I wasn't there that night. I will form my opinion after the final verdict comes down and then again that's a catch 22 as well. Innocent people spend years in jail and guilty people have walked free. But what is most important to me is AJ is right with the lord and he will be judged just like me and you brother.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
I'm glad he's found Christ.

But I can't imagine half of you all heaping praise upon aj Johnson if it was your daughter that was allegedly raped.

Heck, if jameis Winston became a pastor next weekend, yall wouldn't say a lick of praise.
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If it were my daughter the rapist would've met their maker on different terms.
 
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So I assume some of the folks praising aj getting baptized and putting out a video of it would feel the same if, say, the person being charged in the holly bobo case or the kid in the Boston city bombing case did the same thing?
 
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VolnTitan said:
So I assume some of the folks praising aj getting baptized and putting out a video of it would feel the same if, say, the person being charged in the holly bobo case or the kid in the Boston city bombing case did the same thing?
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I get what your saying and there should be outrage over all the crimes committed here including AJ's. But as a christian it is not my job or right for that matter to judge any of the above. They will all answer one day but what I can rejoice in regardless of ones past is their new found relationship with Jesus. Hate the sin not the sinner :hi:
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I get what your saying and there should be outrage over all the crimes committed here including AJ's. But as a christian it is not my job or right for that matter to judge any of the above. They will all answer one day but what I can rejoice in regardless of ones past is their new found relationship with Jesus. Hate the sin not the sinner :hi:
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The only reason I'm not immediately agreeing is because of the possibility that it's a load of publicity BS. Either he did the crime or he didn't do the crime, with it now being 5 days after the baptism and no change whatsoever in his defense or plea, one can only assume that he either didn't and the baptism was legit or that he did do it and was only doing the baptism because it would make him look better.
 
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