‘23 AL DL Hunter Osborne (Alabama commit)

[jakez4ut]

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[sjt18]

Let's look again after players actually sign. Bama will have a higher rated class. NIL helps some, but we need to win games to really start to level that playing field. Success on the field breeds success in recruiting.

NIL helps. Who knows how much at this point? UT probably isn't going to outbid Bama. Their under the table money can now be in the open.

That said, IMO anyone who catches Bama and UGA are going to take the Clemson route. A coach will have to have the talent to find and land a lot of 3* guys with 4* talent. I don't think it is realistic to hope that UT or really anyone else can hire a coach that will start taking players away from Bama frequently enough to change anything. UT took Nico. Part was NIL. Part was a guy who saw a system that could give him a huge opportunity.

Bama loses some players each year in recruiting but I doubt they go deeper than 3rd on their board very often. Saban has it going. You ain't going to out Saban, Saban. You have to find your own route to success like Dabo did... and to a much lesser extent Smart.

Smart inherited the best recruiting situation in the country. Great instate talent with a lot of those kids growing up UGA homers. They go out of state because they want to... not because they have to. GA produces about 5 times more blue chip players each year than TN. Per capita, they probably produce the most talent of any state.

 

[vettefool]

The funny... or disappointing... thing about this is you have no idea how ridiculous stuff like this makes you look.

The ONLY thing you know about Bama's class is that they have higher rated players. You haven't evaluated the players nor do you have the resources or expertise to do so.

So what we have here is you noticing that Bama has higher rated players who are to a degree higher rated BECAUSE Bama pursued them and got their commitment.

Yeah right

 

[wmcovol]

Alabama has 21 recruits who are 4* are better in 247 composite.

Virginia + NC have 23 combined. Georgia is it’s own animal.

But I would imagine Vols will continue to recruit Alabama hard.

Edited to 23 combined, not 22

You’re quoting this year and I’ve read this is a very good year in Alabama. So good in fact, Bama is slow playing a lot of these guys to pursue 5* guys elsewhere.

 

[Weezer]

NIL helps. Who knows how much at this point? UT probably isn't going to outbid Bama. Their under the table money can now be in the open.

That said, IMO anyone who catches Bama and UGA are going to take the Clemson route. A coach will have to have the talent to find and land a lot of 3* guys with 4* talent. I don't think it is realistic to hope that UT or really anyone else can hire a coach that will start taking players away from Bama frequently enough to change anything. UT took Nico. Part was NIL. Part was a guy who saw a system that could give him a huge opportunity.

Bama loses some players each year in recruiting but I doubt they go deeper than 3rd on their board very often. Saban has it going. You ain't going to out Saban, Saban. You have to find your own route to success like Dabo did... and to a much lesser extent Smart.

Smart inherited the best recruiting situation in the country. Great instate talent with a lot of those kids growing up UGA homers. They go out of state because they want to... not because they have to. GA produces about 5 times more blue chip players each year than TN. Per capita, they probably produce the most talent of any state.

What also helped with Nico was focusing solely on Nico. Bama was juggling who they wanted at the position for a while. Was it Arch? Was it Nico? Was it someone else? The indecision cost them IMO. They missed on Nico and Arch. But they still have commits from two high rated QBs.

 

[Weezer]

If we sign the dudes we have now + some 3 stars that are actually 3 stars, it wouldn't change anything with what I said.

We got a commtment from the kid at QB that Alabama wanted more than Arch, or anyone else this class. He's better than any QBs they have signed after Bryce Young.
Throw in the edge rushers and you have the key building blocks to turn around the program. The ability to pass and rush the passer.

Herring and Bradley were both recruited by the big boys.

Bama will close, and probably get a higher ranked class, but it doesn't change NIL got us the kids that can change our fortunes.

Without the success of last year to build on, I doubt NIL is enough to bring those guys here. Again, NIL helps, but success on the field will help more. Players still want to win.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Wake up, he said leveled, not tilted it drastically in our favor. Did we or did we not get into the short straws for this and some other top tier recruits? Why would we even be in play comparing our recent history to Bama's for an Alabama kid? NIL is a NEWER factor for SOME of the top recruits at each position and they all will weigh a lot of factors. The money differential for the amount our guys budgeted may not be enough to overcome some disadvantages. But it's potential at least puts us in play and COULD keep us there till the ink is dry.

So basically NIL COULD level the playing field. It has the potential to. But it hasn’t yet. And he said look at Bamas class compared to ours. There is no comparison. Their class is much better. They have the highest per average recruit ranking. That’s the most important statistic in a recruiting class because it shows the overall quality of the class.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

The funny... or disappointing... thing about this is you have no idea how ridiculous stuff like this makes you look.

The ONLY thing you know about Bama's class is that they have higher rated players. You haven't evaluated the players nor do you have the resources or expertise to do so.

So what we have here is you noticing that Bama has higher rated players who are to a degree higher rated BECAUSE Bama pursued them and got their commitment.

Just stop man. You keep embarrassing yourself over this.

 

[sjt18]

Just stop man. You keep embarrassing yourself over this.

Well... I can imagine you being so deluded you actually believe that too.

Did you deal with the cause-effect post? Bet you didn't. Totally blew your mind, didn't it?

 

[norrislakevol]

Well... I can imagine you being so deluded you actually believe that too.

Did you deal with the cause-effect post? Bet you didn't. Totally blew your mind, didn't it?

Teams that recruit at a higher level have more success. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand. The higher rated players are generally bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic, ect. You stack as many guys like that as you can together and you will have more success.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Well... I can imagine you being so deluded you actually believe that too.

Did you deal with the cause-effect post? Bet you didn't. Totally blew your mind, didn't it?

Whatever man.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Teams that recruit at a higher level have more success. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand. The higher rated players are generally bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic, ect. You stack as many guys like that as you can together and you will have more success.

You are wasting your time. He refuses to believe what is irrefutable. He will respond to your post with more well thought out word salad crap. His views on highly rated players is absolutely laughable.

 

[jakez4ut]

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

So basically NIL COULD level the playing field. It has the potential to. But it hasn’t yet. And he said look at Bamas class compared to ours. There is no comparison. Their class is much better. They have the highest per average recruit ranking. That’s the most important statistic in a recruiting class because it shows the overall quality of the class.

The field is MORE level than past years,in part to NIL. With equal application of money we will still have a more uphill fight than those historically in front of us in the rankings. The mystique of historical success like Bama and ND have, and realities of proximity to targets for teams like GA, FL, TX are what they are and will continue to be. But it would be worse if we did not compete in the NIL arena and has been a factor in some of our class and PROBABLY could have been more if our guys budgeted their money differently.

We are blessed to be an institution that has proven in the past we can challenge the more blessed programs during periods of prosperity, but it will always be harder to get there and stay there and our trendlines will be steeper and deeper. We can become a sexy alternate pick for enough athletes to make a difference. If we parlay winning some battles into victories on the field, NIL can be an even bigger factor going forward as we allocate money based on need. Coming from having a massively depleted roster due to the whole Pruitt/NCAA experience has been a factor and impacted how our NIL guys have had to budget their funds. Heck we have not yet really explored the NIL in the portal market yet. In the meantime we need to get as many star heavy guys we can and add as many rating service misses as possible and mix in some successful 3 star NFL worthy projects to get close enough for some calls and some bounces to win some games against the upstream bunch. It is doable.

 

[orange parmejohn]

You are wasting your time. He refuses to believe what is irrefutable. He will respond to your post with more well thought out word salad crap. His views on highly rated players is absolutely laughable.

1st time in this thread. Is this the age old, silly notion that “stars don’t matter” argument?

 

[Mccage]

You’re quoting this year and I’ve read this is a very good year in Alabama. So good in fact, Bama is slow playing a lot of these guys to pursue 5* guys elsewhere.

I read gas prices are Putin's vault!

 

[NighthawkVol]

1st time in this thread. Is this the age old, silly notion that “stars don’t matter” argument?

The goal, I believe, is to make sure this debate is taking place in every thread. Because, you know, people will eventually and inevitably agree.

 

[sjt18]

You are wasting your time. He refuses to believe what is irrefutable. He will respond to your post with more well thought out word salad crap. His views on highly rated players is absolutely laughable.

Just when I think you can't act more stupid... you do.

Correlation/Coincidence>>>>>>>Cause.

The only time I've seen such determined faith in flawed ideas... was when a nice Jehovah's Witness lady tried to "convert" me because of what was "irrefutable" truth from the Watchtower

 

[T2P_Priceless]

 

[T2P_Priceless]

Then some TX fan replies with there's....Vol people, we need to get more members!

 

[T Dog]

 

[Orange.]

The goal, I believe, is to make sure this debate is taking place in every thread. Because, you know, people will eventually and inevitably agree.

It's a great time to build out an ignore list.

 

[Devo182]

What the crap is this? Knoxville NiL club?

They trying to compete with Spyre?

 

[jpope9]

Then some TX fan replies with there's....Vol people, we need to get more members!

Anyone find it odd that both Knoxville NIL club and Austin NIL club are pretty much word for word identical?

 

[Weezer]

Anyone find it odd that both Knoxville NIL club and Austin NIL club are pretty much word for word identical?

Probably organized by the same company. I know it's not Spyre. This one claims to be "player run" IIRC, but someone had to help them organize the legalities of it.