‘23 AL OT Stanton Ramil (Michigan St. commit)

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After that Stanton Ramil we believe will be the next one to come off the board. We expect that will happen sometime before the calendar turns to August. He has gone pretty quiet on everybody but there are a lot of good vibes for Tennessee based off people we have talked to as we reach the middle of the month.
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bobbyutvol said:
After reading 4 pages of comments I"m amazed most of you only talk about stars..... I know stars are important sometime but give me a kid who really wants to wear the orange & white and give his all every game. JMO
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The amount 17-18 year old kids that grew up wanting to play for Tennessee has gotten smaller and smaller over the years. The only way those numbers will start trending the the right direction is by getting 4 and 5 star guys on the field and making Tennessee an attractive program again
 
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BelieveTheHeup93 said:
The amount 17-18 year old kids that grew up wanting to play for Tennessee has gotten smaller and smaller over the years. The only way those numbers will start trending the the right direction is by getting 4 and 5 star guys on the field and making Tennessee an attractive program again
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I bet it can't improve as long as we continue to miss on high targets like Seldon and Bradley. I guess we cannot compete with high ranking targets from states like Virginia and Missouri till some high star guys perform on the field for a few years. Oh, the shame of it all, but facts are facts I guess. How old are Seldon and Bradley anyway? Gotta be a loophole somewhere....
 
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BelieveTheHeup93 said:
I think we take 30 with 5-6 hopefully being JUCO guys on defense. Hopefully Davis, Whitson, and a couple of LBs and CBs
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Don’t think so. CJH hasn’t shown anything that would lead me to believe he is going to try to hit 30.
 
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volKano said:
Don’t think so. CJH hasn’t shown anything that would lead me to believe he is going to try to hit 30.
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If this is the year that we can take that many……and they can’t be carried over…..and you’ve got a class led by a charismatic generational QB that kids want to play with….. why wouldn’t you?
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
What makes you ASSume Saban makes more committable offers to 3 stars?

Probability of success in offering physically gifted guys already given the opportunity to excel at the HS level before their SR season is greater than those that aren't. Check. But high stars are not a guarantee of success and lower stars, or even no stars is not a guaranteed limiter of success either.

Wish UT had signed the 9 three stars from the 2022 NFL draft first round, not to mention the one two star and two unranked players. That is 12 of 32. Services misses are out there according to which ever service(s) CBS used in their analysis. Wish I had that data for the entire draft, looked and can't find it. Would also like to see a study of how many kids the big timers have commit entered their Sr year as three stars and get a bump after the big boys court them.

Like I said in another thread, I would like to see some statistics on 3 stars draft rate at the BCS top 30 teams only. Those would have some real statistical significance and would PROBABLY still lean heavily toward the higher stars, but not nearly as heavy. We are not competing with BCS bottom feeders and FCS schools for kids we are all in on. I have an unfounded fear that a lot of guys get the the 3 star status for going to camps and other communications with the services.
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There are many more 3* players than 4 and 5* guys. Yes star rating is absolutely tied to success in college. It’s a statistical fact. Teams loaded with 3* don’t win jack squat. The teams with the most 4-5* players are the ones who win at the highest level. That’s not even debatable.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
There are many more 3* players than 4 and 5* guys. Yes star rating is absolutely tied to success in college. It’s a statistical fact. Teams loaded with 3* don’t win jack squat. The teams with the most 4-5* players are the ones who win at the highest level. That’s not even debatable.
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Yes. Saban's subscription to 247 is the ONLY thing that makes him successful... couldn't be that the coaches that know how to identify and sign talent regardless of "stars" are the most successful, could it?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
There are many more 3* players than 4 and 5* guys. Yes star rating is absolutely tied to success in college. It’s a statistical fact. Teams loaded with 3* don’t win jack squat. The teams with the most 4-5* players are the ones who win at the highest level. That’s not even debatable.
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I still do not understand why some people don't get this. While it is true that some teams that are loaded with 3 stars overachieve, it is also true that they will never, ever, win a national title. It is also true that the teams that win nattys are loaded with 4 and 5 stars. If half your team isn't made up with 4 and 5 star players then you have zero shot at winning a natty.....the end.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. Saban's subscription to 247 is the ONLY thing that makes him successful... couldn't be that the coaches that know how to identify and sign talent regardless of "stars" are the most successful, could it?
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No, Saban is able to attract the 4 and 5 stars. He is able to attract the best talent. The recruiting services see exactly what he does.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I still do not understand why some people don't get this. While it is true that some teams that are loaded with 3 stars overachieve, it is also true that they will never, ever, win a national title. It is also true that the teams that win nattys are loaded with 4 and 5 stars. If half your team isn't made up with 4 and 5 star players then you have zero shot at winning a natty.....the end.
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Oregon is about the only team to get close back when they played Auburn.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
If this is the year that we can take that many……and they can’t be carried over…..and you’ve got a class led by a charismatic generational QB that kids want to play with….. why wouldn’t you?
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This isn't the only year he can do it. The 25-cap has been lifted for the next two years. I think it really all comes down to whether he can find guys that he feels can help this team. I don't think we take players just to take players. If he can find 30 guys that make this team better, then I think he takes 30 guys. If he can only find 25, then I think he takes 25. I don't think he has a number set in stone. It's whether or not they help this team. I think we'll work the HS and JuCo ranks, and if we can't find the players we want there, we'll work the portal. And whatever we don't find there, you save the spots to start over again next year. But you don't fill spots just to fill spots. If they don't improve the team, there's no reason to take them.
 
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Weezer said:
This isn't the only year he can do it. The 25-cap has been lifted for the next two years. I think it really all comes down to whether he can find guys that he feels can help this team. I don't think we take players just to take players. If he can find 30 guys that make this team better, then I think he takes 30 guys. If he can only find 25, then I think he takes 25. I don't think he has a number set in stone. It's whether or not they help this team. I think we'll work the HS and JuCo ranks, and if we can't find the players we want there, we'll work the portal. And whatever we don't find there, you save the spots to start over again next year. But you don't fill spots just to fill spots. If they don't improve the team, there's no reason to take them.
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Well there you have it. I’ll see myself out. 🤣
 
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volKano said:
I don’t think he has a set number. He seems to be selective about fit. If he finds 30 he will probably take them but why give a scholarship to someone just to hit 85 right now?
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Well I mean I get the being selective idea. But I would think he would want to get as close to 85 as he can if nothing else for depth. But who knows?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
There are many more 3* players than 4 and 5* guys. Yes star rating is absolutely tied to success in college. It’s a statistical fact. Teams loaded with 3* don’t win jack squat. The teams with the most 4-5* players are the ones who win at the highest level. That’s not even debatable.
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The statement was that Saban probably offered more three stars than 4 and 5. I don't think so. Don't think we do either or schools would fill up fast. May kick a lot of tires to be politically correct, but offers I am not buying.

I still hold that stars are a probability of success, not a guarantee of success OR failure. If it were more precise then the 4 and 5 star pools would consume most if not all of the 250 draft slots each year. 3 star draftees would be way less and lower star and no star guys would not exist. Not only do they exist, they exist prominently in the first round.

Vol fans I have seen post on this subject are not expecting 25 3 stars to get it done, but believe a staff can pick enough undervalued guys that can outperform some 4 star guys. Some get drafted every year somehow. And they are offering after evaluating them, not blindly reaching into the vast 3 star pool. It is a farce to include all three stars in any analysis like the 4's and 5's. Like to at least see analysis numbers on 3 star players with multiple p5 visits, offers are too vague and impossible to validate.
 
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