‘23 AL OT Stanton Ramil (Michigan St. commit)

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norrislakevol said:
That's only a fraction of what they base it on. If you'll notice that some recruits that are underrated that commit to these bigger schools are under rated because they didn't go to a camp so that the services can get eyes on them. You are putting too much stock into star rating verses who has offered them, as well as not enough stock to the fact that the recruiting services themselves scout these players in the same manner that the coaches do. They physically send people to games, invite players to their camps, and watch film....just like coaches do.
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LOL... how many of the THOUSANDS of kids show up for their camps? What is the likelihood that they are there as much because they're being handled by someone than that they are the most elite talent?

YOU and BOT are putting FAR too much credence in the opinions of journalists about talent. None of those top coaches are waiting around to see how many stars 247 gives a kid. Not a one. They all use fairly sophisticated recruiting consultants that do deep dives into every kid.

Even if they had the expertise the recruiting sites don't have the personnel. And all of you continue to avoid the elephant in the room. They arbitrarily set the number of 4/5* ratings they hand out. Even then they still have a significant number of misses in those groups. If they were anything like as accurate as you all think then they would attempt to accurately rate them all. One year might have 50 5* and the next 8.

But they know what they're doing. They're selling a product. They're trading on the passion of college football fans.

Also, if the rankings were as accurate as you all think, you could look past the top 5 each year. They would accurately predict the top 30 teams in relatively accurate order. They don't. Funny how their "accuracy" gets more fuzzy the further away they get from Saban and a few others.
 
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sjt18 said:
LOL... how many of the THOUSANDS of kids show up for their camps? What is the likelihood that they are there as much because they're being handled by someone than that they are the most elite talent?

YOU and BOT are putting FAR too much credence in the opinions of journalists about talent. None of those top coaches are waiting around to see how many stars 247 gives a kid. Not a one. They all use fairly sophisticated recruiting consultants that do deep dives into every kid.

Even if they had the expertise the recruiting sites don't have the personnel. And all of you continue to avoid the elephant in the room. They arbitrarily set the number of 4/5* ratings they hand out. Even then they still have a significant number of misses in those groups. If they were anything like as accurate as you all think then they would attempt to accurately rate them all. One year might have 50 5* and the next 8.

But they know what they're doing. They're selling a product. They're trading on the passion of college football fans.

Also, if the rankings were as accurate as you all think, you could look past the top 5 each year. They would accurately predict the top 30 teams in relatively accurate order. They don't. Funny how their "accuracy" gets more fuzzy the further away they get from Saban and a few others.
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volKano said:
I don’t think he has a set number. He seems to be selective about fit. If he finds 30 he will probably take them but why give a scholarship to someone just to hit 85 right now?
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247 predicted 26-30 iirc.

Don't see much reason not to take as many as possible, especially if the last couple are 1-2 year transfers that will roll off quickly anyway. Win-win it would seem. But yeah not sure he's going to waste 4+ years of a scholarship slot of total fliers either.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Who gets drafted has zero to do with a ranking coming out of HS. HS kids haven’t got any coaching at the college level. The guys who get drafted have had 3+ years of college coaching. It’s not even comparable. Also there are simply more guus ranked as 3*. If there were a comparable amount of 4-5*, then you would likely see more drafted.

Here is the thing though. Nobody is saying 3* can’t be good players. Nor that even the best teams don’t recruit them. It’s just that the teams that win at the highest rate don’t have that many 3* players. Of course coaches aren’t just blindly offering players.
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It doesn't seem that complicated.

The correlation between bluechips vs 3 stars is undeniable. Arguing beyond that seems pointless, unless one wants to reject years of hard data.

Some seem to want to argue specific players, as if any fan is worried about any one player's individual success (unless they have some actual personal connection)...every fan is looking at the aggregate team. Stacking bluechips in the aggregate is all that matters.
 
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sjt18 said:
LOL... how many of the THOUSANDS of kids show up for their camps? What is the likelihood that they are there as much because they're being handled by someone than that they are the most elite talent?

YOU and BOT are putting FAR too much credence in the opinions of journalists about talent. None of those top coaches are waiting around to see how many stars 247 gives a kid. Not a one. They all use fairly sophisticated recruiting consultants that do deep dives into every kid.

Even if they had the expertise the recruiting sites don't have the personnel. And all of you continue to avoid the elephant in the room. They arbitrarily set the number of 4/5* ratings they hand out. Even then they still have a significant number of misses in those groups. If they were anything like as accurate as you all think then they would attempt to accurately rate them all. One year might have 50 5* and the next 8.

But they know what they're doing. They're selling a product. They're trading on the passion of college football fans.

Also, if the rankings were as accurate as you all think, you could look past the top 5 each year. They would accurately predict the top 30 teams in relatively accurate order. They don't. Funny how their "accuracy" gets more fuzzy the further away they get from Saban and a few others.
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In the end, the teams with the most 4 and 5 stars win titles in the SEC. Not the teams that have the diamond in the rough 3 stars, or the teams that get the best coaching up of the lower talent. It's the Jimmy's and Joe's not the X's and O's, and the 4 and 5 stars are generally physically more talented. Look at Kirby at Georgia. He is no coaching genius at all, but he recruits well and now has a title to show for it. You have a lot more room for error with more 4 and 5 stars on your team.....period. Now, when multiple teams with majority 3 stars on their roster win national titles then I will eat crow......but I think that I will never be eating crow.
 
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I just don’t think there’s a lot of information out there on Ramil. It seems like most think it’s Tennessee or Michigan St but that’s more speculation than anything.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Not my rule. The rule of college football that you cannot fathom.
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Fathom your warped thinking on this subject? Sure. To prove your "rule"... you can't just stop with the NC or even the BCS contenders or the top 5. If your "rule" worked then the rankings would accurately predict the top 25 more or less in order. It would predict the top 50. It would very accurately predict the winners of individual games.

But... they don't do that well. The further they get from Saban and a few others.... the less accurate they become.

Here's last year's final rankings. After the top two... your all knowing recruiting sites don't seem to be that great at predicting the best teams. So that "rule" you spoke of absolutely proves what I'm saying.

2021 College Football Rankings for Final Rankings | ESPN
 
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sjt18 said:
Fathom your warped thinking on this subject? Sure. To prove your "rule"... you can't just stop with the NC or even the BCS contenders or the top 5. If your "rule" worked then the rankings would accurately predict the top 25 more or less in order. It would predict the top 50. It would very accurately predict the winners of individual games.

But... they don't do that well. The further they get from Saban and a few others.... the less accurate they become.

Here's last year's final rankings. After the top two... your all knowing recruiting sites don't seem to be that great at predicting the best teams. So that "rule" you spoke of absolutely proves what I'm saying.

2021 College Football Rankings for Final Rankings | ESPN
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Please stop embarrassing yourself. For the final time please try and understand. The only thing I am saying is the teams that win at the highest rate have the highest rated players year in and year out. That’s not a debate. I have never said the recruiting services aren infallible. They miss every single year. Always have and always will.

So just stop with your ridiculous stance on this because you continue to look dumb on this issue.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Please stop embarrassing yourself. For the final time please try and understand. The only thing I am saying is the teams that win at the highest rate have the highest rated players year in and year out. That’s not a debate. I have never said the recruiting services aren infallible. They miss every single year. Always have and always will.
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No. You are IGNORING the REAL thing. Saban, Smart, Dabo, et al are GREAT talent evaluators and recruiters. It has nothing to do with Rivals, 247, On3, or any of that.

The essence of your point is that no one can be a great evaluator of talent or recruiter unless those recruiting sites put their stamp of approval on the guys they like. Not only have numerous coaches including Dabo proven that false... it is just about the only way anyone is going to rise up and compete. The other option is to notice who Bama is recruiting... then take ALL of their recruits from them.

You are also suggesting that if a coach simply got more guys that the recruiting sites liked... they'd win championships too. That's false.

So just stop with your ridiculous stance on this because you continue to look dumb on this issue.
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You being wrong... doesn't make me look dumb. You're teenage girl, starry eyed obsession with "stars"... is pretty dumb though.

UT will start competing for championships when they have a coach who can identify talent, sign it, and coach it up. If the last 14 years hasn't taught you that winning on NSD doesn't assure winning on game day... then you truly are "dumb". Time after time the recruiting sites have "loved" UT recruiting classes only to see large % of their 4/5* players fail to live up to the hype.
 
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