'22 AL S Jourdan Thomas (Tennessee signee)

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BigOrangeVols said:
I'm here. I'd like to flip this to everyone else. Prove to me that 3 stars are good football players besides just cherry picking your favorite 3 star athletes in the NFL. I'll wait.
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Easy, no cherry picking, in fact staying with the NFL watch EVERY starting lineup for ALL teams on any given Sunday and see how many guys come from schools not replete with 4 and 5 stars. Won't even go into evaluation of players from P5 schools that might be or were NOT. Many of these were probably just misevaluations, others were properly evaluated based on all available data from their HS years but blossomed later in life or actually had their first weight training and decent coaching. These are not tricks or optical illusions.

Five star and four star guys are defined by pretty rigidly defined criteria, three stars are the residue. But coaches are not throwing darts at boards of the entire pool, but rather a m;uch smaller subset of that pool. I have always challenged anyones intelligence that treats the star rankings as rigid success potential rather than as a probability of the same. Good evaluation skills can improve success rates for all classifications, but especially for the 3 stars. Maturity, both physical and mental, is a real wildcard,. Sometimes luck more than evaluation skills enters in. Thus the hits and misses. But this also explains why some lower star guys get extended early in the process due to evaluations. I am much more hopeful for kids who receive committable offers early rather than after early signing day.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Easy, no cherry picking, in fact staying with the NFL watch EVERY starting lineup for ALL teams on any given Sunday and see how many guys come from schools not replete with 4 and 5 stars. Won't even go into evaluation of players from P5 schools that might be or were NOT. Many of these were probably just misevaluations, others were properly evaluated based on all available data from their HS years but blossomed later in life or actually had their first weight training and decent coaching. These are not tricks or optical illusions.

Five star and four star guys are defined by pretty rigidly defined criteria, three stars are the residue. But coaches are not throwing darts at boards of the entire pool, but rather a m;uch smaller subset of that pool. I have always challenged anyones intelligence that treats the star rankings as rigid success potential rather than as a probability of the same. Good evaluation skills can improve success rates for all classifications, but especially for the 3 stars. Maturity, both physical and mental, is a real wildcard,. Sometimes luck more than evaluation skills enters in. Thus the hits and misses. But this also explains why some lower star guys get extended early in the process due to evaluations. I am much more hopeful for kids who receive committable offers early rather than after early signing day.
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Plenty of guys are 3* or worse and don't come from schools full of 4 and 5 stars. If someone is under the opinion we're going to recruit those exact kids that will make it to the NFL I got bad news for them. Much more likely to be a dud than diamond in the rough.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
Plenty of guys are 3* or worse and don't come from schools full of 4 and 5 stars. If someone is under the opinion we're going to recruit those exact kids that will make it to the NFL I got bad news for them. Much more likely to be a dud than diamond in the rough.
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Get focused on the issue.... Your position is 3 stars are not any good..... for sure a higher percentage of 4 and 5 star guys will be bigtime players but that does not prove that there are not a TON of 3 stars that are impactive college and pro players and therefore you cannot categorically say 3 stars are bad. The absolute truth is you have to see EVERY player on the field before you can assess their value as stars are just a projection of ability. If you want to play numbers games I would be willing to bet there are more undervalued misses on 3 stars than 4 and 5 star combined. Now isn't that surprising! I mean any 4 and 5 star that does not get drafted or invited to a camp is a bust and any 3 star that does is an undervalued miss..... want to look at those numbers? Sometimes statistics are as worthless as over simplified logic.
 
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Welcome to the New World where u can say,do,act however u like cause it's the Internet's and that makes it okay.People don't realize or don't care but once u start becoming or portraying a certain image of urself they slowly but surely adopt that in real life.My kids wrote I C instead of I see,K instead of okay in school.Just a minimal example but you all get my drift.BOV may or may not be this insane,but even if he isn't he's taken on that persona and now he's known for what he's known for.Unfortunately he's accepted that star gazing bs troll role and wears it proud,don't get it sideways though more than a few fit this profile.
 
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I'd love to have Thomas. Leach has had some really good defenses at WSU & now at State (#24 this year) and he's done it with mostly 2 and 3 star guys that his staff does an excellent job of coaching up. If Leach and his staff identified him and think he's a player - I think that bodes well for us and I'd be excited to have him as a part of this class.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
That's just bad logic. If posting a list of 3* players that are good football players makes my statement false, then me posting a list of 3* players that did nothing here and are bad football players would also make my statement true. Who has the larger list?
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But your post was that all three star players are not good. You should edit the post if you don’t want others to call you out on it.
 
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sjt18 said:
Stetson Bennett was a 3*. He's about to lead UGA into the SEC CG and playoff. He led the SEC in passing efficiency.

You can't throw a blanket over all 3* players and say they're "good football players"... but you can't do that with 4/5* players either. What you are refusing to see is that there are A LOT of 3* players every bit as "good" as those given 4* and some as good as those who get 5*. That is NOT a claim that all 3* players are that talented. Very obviously they aren't.

But if you want to use the NFL draft as a measure of the accuracy of the recruiting sites without "cherry picking" then you have to take into account that MOST 4* do not get drafted.
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The roster for many SB teams are dominated by 3 star players especially on the OL if I remember correctly when looking at the stats the last couple of years.
 
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He will have a chance to show recruiting gurus at AL Miss All Star game which I believe he will be practicing and playing in. I always like to wait for these All Star Games when they can eye ball a players development in Senior Year Good or Bad. In CHRIST Alone
 
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