'22 AL S Jourdan Thomas (Tennessee signee)

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BigOrangeVols said:
That's just bad logic. If posting a list of 3* players that are good football players makes my statement false, then me posting a list of 3* players that did nothing here and are bad football players would also make my statement true. Who has the larger list?
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No it wouldn't, because your framework was built around the fallacy that "3*s aren't good football players". If we want to be technical, providing a singular example to the contrary makes your proposition incorrect. However, you've been given numerous examples of why your assertion is incorrect.

Now, if you want to amend your statement to a much less absolute version of itself, then you are more likely to reach a more receptive audience. No one currently objecting to your line of reasoning is making the counter claim that all 3*s are good football players.
 
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cncchris33 said:
No it wouldn't, because your framework was built around the fallacy that "3*s aren't good football players". If we want to be technical, providing a singular example to the contrary makes your proposition incorrect. However, you've been given numerous examples of why your assertion is incorrect.

Now, if you want to amend your statement to a much less absolute version of itself, then you are more likely to reach a more receptive audience. No one currently objecting to your line of reasoning is making the counter claim that all 3*s are good football players.
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If you take my statement as absolute then that's on you
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
I'm here. I'd like to flip this to everyone else. Prove to me that 3 stars are good football players besides just cherry picking your favorite 3 star athletes in the NFL. I'll wait.
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Stetson Bennett was a 3*. He's about to lead UGA into the SEC CG and playoff. He led the SEC in passing efficiency.

You can't throw a blanket over all 3* players and say they're "good football players"... but you can't do that with 4/5* players either. What you are refusing to see is that there are A LOT of 3* players every bit as "good" as those given 4* and some as good as those who get 5*. That is NOT a claim that all 3* players are that talented. Very obviously they aren't.

But if you want to use the NFL draft as a measure of the accuracy of the recruiting sites without "cherry picking" then you have to take into account that MOST 4* do not get drafted.
 
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GregAmsler said:
Everyone needs to read this. It’s spot-on balls accurate. I would just add this…a kid whose talents are well-suited for one system isn’t always as well-suited for a other. So a kid who might be a 3* to Bama might be a 5* to Tennessee. Which is another flaw with these rankings.

Then there’s the development aspect…
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It is also to note a player with certain habits, film room study, weight room, nutrition, desire, a good teammate who puts the team before themself, and just plain coach ability may not go into a star ranking consideration as much as it should.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
That's just bad logic. If posting a list of 3* players that are good football players makes my statement false, then me posting a list of 3* players that did nothing here and are bad football players would also make my statement true. Who has the larger list?
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Um... do you understand basic logic and rhetoric?

Your claim is that "3* players are not good football players". That is an all inclusive statement. It doesn't take a list... it only takes ONE good player who was a 3* to disprove your statement.
 
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sjt18 said:
When everyone else understands your statement one way... and you claim to intend it another way... then it is on YOU.
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I think for something as obvious as "3 star recruits who are good or excellent football players exist" it's on everyone else. How many times can that argument be beaten to death in response to not being elated over taking 3 star recruits? If I had a nickel for every time Cam Sutton was dropped on a thread...
 
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Volstar65 said:
It is also to note a player with certain habits, film room study, weight room, nutrition, desire, a good teammate who puts the team before themself, and just plain coach ability may not go into a star ranking consideration as much as it should.
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IMO, this is frequently what separates the legit 4/5* players with ultra talent that Bama and other top recruiting programs go after and the Brent Vinson's of the world. A kid can have all the measurable talent in the world and dominate in HS... and still torpedo themselves when they step up in competition by being a turd.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
I think for something as obvious as "3 star recruits who are good or excellent football players exist" it's on everyone else. How many times can that argument be beaten to death in response to not being elated over taking 3 star recruits? If I had a nickel for every time Cam Sutton was dropped on a thread...
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You made the claim. You have tried to evade. You have tried to obfuscate. You have tried to excuse. You have tried to defend. You've even tried to ignore.

The quote above CONTRADICTS a statement that you continue to defend. That... is on YOU.

The simple fact is that you were wrong in what you said and would look A LOT better if you simply said that you realize that statement the way you worded it was not true.

As for being "elated"... that is also on you. I've been here a long time. For most years, this board has been "elated" over some 4 or 5 star commit or signee. That "elation" has been short lived as it has NEVER turned into performance on the field equal to the "elation" on NSD.

I will reserve my "elation" for game days. In the meantime... I just choose to look at these kids and their talent with HOPE rather than dismissing and demeaning them because a media web site gave them 3* rather than 4*.
 
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sjt18 said:
You made the claim. You have tried to evade. You have tried to obfuscate. You have tried to excuse. You have tried to defend. You've even tried to ignore.

The simple fact is that you were wrong in what you said and would look A LOT better if you simply said that you realize that statement the way you worded it was not true.
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Looking good on a message board went out the window for me many years ago lmao...

God forbid you say something negative about a coach here in their first 2 years. Doomer vs Sunshine pumper on here....who's been more correct the last 10 years? Who received more likes? We even run off our insiders here who make way better contributions to this board than I possibly could, so I don't worry.

Edit: I'm not evading my statement either. Truth hurts. 3 stars aren't good. If you need me to say "3 stars aren't good, typically", then so be it.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
Looking good on a message board went out the window for me many years ago lmao...

God forbid you say something negative about a coach here in their first 2 years. Doomer vs Sunshine pumper on here....who's been more correct the last 10 years? Who received more likes? We even run off our insiders here who make way better contributions to this board than I possibly could, so I don't worry.

Edit: I'm not evading my statement either. Truth hurts. 3 stars aren't good. If you need me to say "3 stars aren't good, typically", then so be it.
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BigOrangeVols said:
Looking good on a message board went out the window for me many years ago lmao...

God forbid you say something negative about a coach here in their first 2 years. Doomer vs Sunshine pumper on here....who's been more correct the last 10 years? Who received more likes? We even run off our insiders here who make way better contributions to this board than I possibly could, so I don't worry.

Edit: I'm not evading my statement either. Truth hurts. 3 stars aren't good. If you need me to say "3 stars aren't good, typically", then so be it.
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So you have no argument? You’re just throwing out ridiculous claims to fit your agenda.

I’ll come back to this whenever Hendon Hooker who was a “3 star player” is a runner up for the Heisman next year.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
Looking good on a message board went out the window for me many years ago lmao...

God forbid you say something negative about a coach here in their first 2 years. Doomer vs Sunshine pumper on here....who's been more correct the last 10 years? Who received more likes? We even run off our insiders here who make way better contributions to this board than I possibly could, so I don't worry.

Edit: I'm not evading my statement either. Truth hurts. 3 stars aren't good. If you need me to say "3 stars aren't good, typically", then so be it.
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Go play in traffic. No one gaf what you have to say.
 
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Since there are no actual coaches slapping star ratings on kids, I think I will roll with our staffs evaluations. Two other things....first, we seem to have some inconsistent outcomes with our 4 and 5 star recruits so it cuts both ways. No absolutes in recruiting. Second, these rating services don't really do deep dives into what makes these kids tick. Coaches get on these kids pretty early and develop a feel for how a kid will "fit". Do they always get it right? Nope, but I still place more stock in a coaches eval than a service. Finally, we've sucked so long that sometimes you get the best you can and do the best you can with it. Seems UT might just fall into that latter category with this upcoming class.
 
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