'22 AL S Jourdan Thomas (Tennessee signee)

[SweetasSoda]

Go play in traffic. No one gaf what you have to say.

But he’s getting all the attention he is asking for.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Have they? Do you think they checked with 247 and then decided to pursue highly talented kids? Or is it not a little more likely that the recruiting websites take notice of who teams with proven recruiting success are after?

If you have two kids playing the same position from GA that by all objective measures look pretty even and one is offered by Bama and UGA and the other is not... which one do you think gets the extra star?

The rankings to a large extent are self-fulfilling prophecies. Saban is great at identifying talent so talent he identifies rightly or wrongly... gets a bump.

There are at LEAST as many missed kids with 4/5* talent in any given class as there are kids who are given 4/5*.

Bama has been dominant not because they've had highly ranked class but they've been dominant AND had highly ranked classes in part because they know how to find talent. That may not seem to be an important distinction but it is. Agreeing with Saban does NOT validate a recruiting site's ability to recognize top talent.

The truth is that every year there are WAY more than enough underrated 3* players to build a championship caliber roster if a coach has the ability to recognize that talent. Few have done it. Dabo did. But that's the shortest path to being successful again. MANY coaches have tried, and failed, to go head to head with Bama for the players Bama wants because they're convinced those players are uniquely talented and elite.

Great post

 

[Nashvegas31]

Stars matter at certain positions. For example I’d be more concerned about landing a 5 star corner over a 3 star corner vs a 5 star Saftey over 3 star safety. Safety like OL and TE are positions that you can easily find guys that are underrated/under the radar that go on to develop into big time players. Those positions a lot of times come down to mental, drive, instinct and developmental skills not always seen to the public scouting eye in a camp setting.

Also so hard to judge kids in last class through the next few due to Covid. Going to be so many missed evals around country for awhile

 

[cncchris33]

Looking good on a message board went out the window for me many years ago lmao...

God forbid you say something negative about a coach here in their first 2 years. Doomer vs Sunshine pumper on here....who's been more correct the last 10 years? Who received more likes? We even run off our insiders here who make way better contributions to this board than I possibly could, so I don't worry.

Edit: I'm not evading my statement either. Truth hurts. 3 stars aren't good. If you need me to say "3 stars aren't good, typically", then so be it.

For someone who made this post within the last 24 hours...

Ignore the stars, I just want good football players here. Idk what's so hard about that.

...you've spent an inordinate amount of time since to convince people of why stars matter. So the question is...

 

[Orange Studs]

Must be someone I can proudly that I already had on ignore.

 

[sjt18]

Looking good on a message board went out the window for me many years ago lmao...

I hope you took more from that statement than that.... It is a matter of personal integrity to admit when you are obviously wrong or misspoke.

God forbid you say something negative about a coach here in their first 2 years. Doomer vs Sunshine pumper on here....who's been more correct the last 10 years? Who received more likes? We even run off our insiders here who make way better contributions to this board than I possibly could, so I don't worry.

Well... in a way. I'm not praising Heupel's recruiting to date. I have specifically tempered my praise of his leadership and coaching with the need to build a competitive roster.

Edit: I'm not evading my statement either. Truth hurts. 3 stars aren't good. If you need me to say "3 stars aren't good, typically", then so be it.

You really don't get it, do you? This has nothing to do with criticizing a coach or even the recruiting effort. It has to do with making statements that are verifiably FALSE. Each 3 star player is an individual. You cannot reasonably, objectively say that "3 stars aren't good" because there are around 1800 INDIVIDUALS rated 3* in any particular year.

Here is a review of a couple of drafts by 247. Two things to note. Using the NFL draft as a quality measure, they're about 60% accurate on their 5*. Good. Not great. That means 40% of those guys that "elate" you... aren't worthy of the rating. It gets worse for 4*. So they aren't highly accurate even with the players they find, evaluate, and rate high.

Secondly and much more important to our conversation and your assumption that UT must be getting guys who are "not good football players"... is that more, a lot more, guys get drafted who were rated under 4* than above. It is completely accurate to say that for every 2 4/5* players they accurately rate... they miss 3. One of those misses... they don't even rate at all.

Their accuracy isn't good enough to support what you're trying to claim.

 

[BondJamesBond]

You can't b

I think for something as obvious as "3 star recruits who are good or excellent football players exist" it's on everyone else. How many times can that argument be beaten to death in response to not being elated over taking 3 star recruits? If I had a nickel for every time Cam Sutton was dropped on a thread...

You can't be this dumb. This is an act.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Lol @ y’all for getting trolled over and over. The look how smart I am posts are ironic.

 

[sjt18]

Stars matter at certain positions. For example I’d be more concerned about landing a 5 star corner over a 3 star corner vs a 5 star Saftey over 3 star safety. Safety like OL and TE are positions that you can easily find guys that are underrated/under the radar that go on to develop into big time players. Those positions a lot of times come down to mental, drive, instinct and developmental skills not always seen to the public scouting eye in a camp setting.

Also so hard to judge kids in last class through the next few due to Covid. Going to be so many missed evals around country for awhile

It is easier for them to rate some positions better than others. If a kid has HS success, a 4.2 shuttle, and great wingspan then you can safely rate them a high CB prospect. OL is very difficult and gets even more difficult if those kids don't attend camps.... like a couple of UT's commits apparently.

Stars matter until you apply them to a particular player and try to draw an ironclad conclusion. What I mean is that a program that averages 3.8 stars over 4 years is very likely more talented than one that averages 3.2 stars. However you cannot simply look at a 3* player and determine their "destiny".

 

[BigOrangeVols]

For someone who made this post within the last 24 hours...

...you've spent an inordinate amount of time since to convince people of why stars matter. So the question is...
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They don't matter, as long as you have 4 or 5.

 

[cncchris33]

They don't matter, as long as you have 4 or 5.

So like I said, last night...

You'd still take Khalil McKenzie over Aaron Donald or Vita Vea, JJ Peterson over Patrick Willis or Luke Kuechly, and Tate Martell over Patrick Mahomes or Russell Wilson, I suppose.

Solid approach you have; the "stars don't matter as long there's 4 or 5 of them" approach.

 

[Leeleesteeth]

I hope you took more from that statement than that.... It is a matter of personal integrity to admit when you are obviously wrong or misspoke.

Well... in a way. I'm not praising Heupel's recruiting to date. I have specifically tempered my praise of his leadership and coaching with the need to build a competitive roster.


You really don't get it, do you? This has nothing to do with criticizing a coach or even the recruiting effort. It has to do with making statements that are verifiably FALSE. Each 3 star player is an individual. You cannot reasonably, objectively say that "3 stars aren't good" because there are around 1800 INDIVIDUALS rated 3* in any particular year.

Here is a review of a couple of drafts by 247. Two things to note. Using the NFL draft as a quality measure, they're about 60% accurate on their 5*. Good. Not great. That means 40% of those guys that "elate" you... aren't worthy of the rating. It gets worse for 4*. So they aren't highly accurate even with the players they find, evaluate, and rate high.

Secondly and much more important to our conversation and your assumption that UT must be getting guys who are "not good football players"... is that more, a lot more, guys get drafted who were rated under 4* than above. It is completely accurate to say that for every 2 4/5* players they accurately rate... they miss 3. One of those misses... they don't even rate at all.

Their accuracy isn't good enough to support what you're trying to claim.

Just saw this idiot's lunacy. 3 stars aren't good? Dude I've coached multiple "3 stars" and coached against many more in highly competitive Georgia regions and seen many of them single-handedly take over a game. Some of these guys are rated artificially low because they can't or don't go to the right camps. The ones to look at are the ones who are "late risers". Either they grew and developed later than others or they just got found. This guy must have never played and/or coached (not counting rec ball). Stupid.

 

[sjt18]

Just saw this idiot's lunacy. 3 stars aren't good? Dude I've coached multiple "3 stars" and coached against many more in highly competitive Georgia regions and seen many of them single-handedly take over a game. Some of these guys are rated artificially low because they can't or don't go to the right camps. The ones to look at are the ones who are "late risers". Either they grew and developed later than others or they just got found. This guy must have never played and/or coached (not counting rec ball). Stupid.

You are talking about the guy I responded to, right?

 

[Leeleesteeth]

You are talking about the guy I responded to, right?

Yep. Sorry. I was too lazy to go back to his original post. Gave you credit for an assist in the scorebook.

 

[SugarCC]

STFU and take your a$$ back to the FF.

It's obvious that you are just here to be a d!ck
Take your sorry 3* ant worth a crap argument with you.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Damn, Pdad.

 

[walkenvol]

Damn, Thomas dropped by to check out his thread and promptly recommitted!

 

[Pridedad]

Damn, Pdad.

Well I was having a bad day and had seen his same comment in about 5 or 6 threads in a row and had all I could take. I'm normally open to back and forth and even negative comments about kids. Just lost my cool.

 

[buckfama]

I'm here. I'd like to flip this to everyone else. Prove to me that 3 stars are good football players besides just cherry picking your favorite 3 star athletes in the NFL. I'll wait.

Do you even understand how the star system works?

Three stars are projected to be quality depth for P5 programs after 1 or 2 years of development.

High 4 and 5 stars have the skills to contribute in college immediately or with minimal development.

It has zero to do with their talent ceiling.

 

[Ashevolle]

I'm here. I'd like to flip this to everyone else. Prove to me that 3 stars are good football players besides just cherry picking your favorite 3 star athletes in the NFL. I'll wait.

Of course you'd like to flip it because you're over your head. You made a claim that's untenable. Too bad the burden's on you.

 

[MADISONGAVOL]

Yeah. Which isn’t sexy but we have to trust the staffs ability to develop.

Does this kid have elite speed? Our saftey speed is lacking . .overall secondary is lacking as well

 

[Volfanatic_20]

Everything is trending in the right direction for Jourdan Thomas. The one time Mississippi State commitment backed off of that earlier this week and is set to see Tennessee again this weekend. Sometimes it’s as easy as 1+1 = 2.

-VQ

 

[tnvols72]

I'm here. I'd like to flip this to everyone else. Prove to me that 3 stars are good football players besides just cherry picking your favorite 3 star athletes in the NFL. I'll wait.

Well you did come back to follow up one dumb comment with another dumb comment. So these so called recruiting experts knows more than coaches ? So all 4* & 5* always make it to the NFL and are never busts? If you are this upset and your mind is made up then why are you still here?

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Of course you'd like to flip it because you're over your head. You made a claim that's untenable. Too bad the burden's on you.

Burden is a bit excessive wouldn’t you say? I think the burden is on you all doing the mental gymnastics to believe these 3 stars are gonna work.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Burden is a bit excessive wouldn’t you say? I think the burden is on you all doing the mental gymnastics to believe these 3 stars are gonna work.

Ugh, our four and five stars bolted. And it did work with 3 stars.

Think stars are overrated, esp with Covid, unless we are talking upper echelon players.

 

[VolzMan53]