Alex Jones found liable over Sandy Hook hoax conspiracy

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AshG said:
So start new ones? New ones that don't suck and collect more than the crazies?
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Ideally yes. The best solution is for new outlets to be formed but one of the few drawbacks in a capitalistic system is everything is for sale.
 
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hog88 said:
Ideally yes. The best solution is for new outlets to be formed but one of the few drawbacks in a capitalistic system is everything is for sale.
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Seen too many different outlets say the same buzzwords at the same time. Even at a local news level like Sinclair. Spooky
 
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Orangeburst said:
Seen too many different outlets say the same buzzwords at the same time. Even at a local news level like Sinclair. Spooky
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Sinclair is a conservative media conglomerate. They regularly sent scripts to their stations for anchors to read. Just like all the other media conglomerates.

 
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hog88 said:
And more.
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I believe the current administration, and the American Left in general, are all too happy to let Social Media do it’s thing.

Why wouldn’t they? They see them as helping their cause. But I do not believe there is some grand conspiracy afoot.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I believe the current administration, and the American Left in general, are all too happy to let Social Media do it’s thing.

Why wouldn’t they? They see them as helping their cause. But I do not believe there is some grand conspiracy afoot.
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But there is.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I believe the current administration, and the American Left in general, are all too happy to let Social Media do it’s thing.

Why wouldn’t they? They see them as helping their cause. But I do not believe there is some grand conspiracy afoot.
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It cuts both ways. People on both sides have trouble understanding that the political sides are chosen based moreso on what people find repugnant than what they find appealing. I think we're discounting all the people who have become politically active because they don't like what they see from the left on social media, and the reverse is true. I mean, I used to be a right-leaning libertarian and now I feel like I'm evenly in the middle. Social media sure helped to cure that mistake.
 
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n_huffhines said:
People on both sides have trouble understanding that the political sides are chosen based moreso on what people find repugnant than what they find appealing.
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I just want to focus on this as a singular thought. When this idea gets far enough then the "other side", whatever that may be, can reach the point of being irredeemably bad. Not just holding a different opinion or POV but really, genuinely bad people. Get enough of that mindset and it's when things get genuinely ugly.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I believe the current administration, and the American Left in general, are all too happy to let Social Media do it’s thing.

Why wouldn’t they? They see them as helping their cause. But I do not believe there is some grand conspiracy afoot.
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Have you seen what the most shared stuff on Facebook are? Mostly right-wing.
 
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For a long time it has seemed that the right thinks the left just has bad ideas whereas the left thinks the right are just bad people.
We’re starting to see a shift in the thinking from the right where it’s not only bad ideas on the left but bad people as well.
Social media has opened a lot of eyes on the right and the hard bias leans of msm and social media companies are only adding fuel to the fire.
It’s like continuously poking the bear while it’s sleeping and being shocked it eventually woke up and mauled you.
 
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DynaLo said:
For a long time it has seemed that the right thinks the left just has bad ideas whereas the left thinks the right are just bad people.
We’re starting to see a shift in the thinking from the right where it’s not only bad ideas on the left but bad people as well.
Social media has opened a lot of eyes on the right and the hard bias leans of msm and social media companies are only adding fuel to the fire.
It’s like continuously poking the bear while it’s sleeping and being shocked it eventually woke up and mauled you.
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What astounds me is the assumption that Trump was far right. The premise is entirely incorrect and only assumed because they have moved so far left. Trump is a 1990 Dem
 
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Orangeburst said:
What astounds me is the assumption that Trump was far right. The premise is entirely incorrect and only assumed because they have moved so far left. Trump is a 1990 Dem
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Exactly. It’s crazy to see they’ve moved so far left that even traditional centrists, classical liberals (little l ) and moderate Dems are now considered far right. I’m just waiting on them to all declare Bernie is a right winger.😂
 
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Velo Vol said:
Have you seen what the most shared stuff on Facebook are? Mostly right-wing.
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I don’t see Facebook. I will take your word for the right-wing stuff (I’ve certainly heard about it though).

Who controls Facebook though?

And not to say this is unique to one side. AM talk radio has long been the domain of conservative thought.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It cuts both ways. People on both sides have trouble understanding that the political sides are chosen based moreso on what people find repugnant than what they find appealing. I think we're discounting all the people who have become politically active because they don't like what they see from the left on social media, and the reverse is true. I mean, I used to be a right-leaning libertarian and now I feel like I'm evenly in the middle. Social media sure helped to cure that mistake.
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Certainly
 
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85SugarVol said:
Are you saying that the government is conspiring with Facebook & Twitter?
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I don't think it's the government. It's politics. Traditional and social media are subject to reflecting the political views of those at the top. We've thrown "unbiased" out the window. Practically everything leans one way or the other. We're no longer a nation of "free thinkers". People are being programmed what to think and many happily march along to the tune of whichever pied piper they're listening to.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
As I was careful to point out, it was the FEC Chair, Ellen Weintraub. who concluded that the Trump campaign did solicit opposition research from Russian officials through an intermediary named Rob Goldstone, who was responsible for arranging the June 9th, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower. It was Goldstone who received the message from Donald Trump Jr. which said. "If it's what you say it is I LOVE IT!"

I was also careful to point out that it was also Ellen Weintraub who concluded that opposition research does constitute "something of value." I made it a point to mention that not every attorney will agree with her assessment, however.

Finally, and nobody ever gives an honest answer to this question (if they bother addressing it at all) :

If the Trump campaign didn't think that there was anything wrong with the June 9th, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower, then why did both Donald Trump Jr. and Donald Trump Sr. lie about who was in attendance at the meeting, and what the true purpose behind the meeting actually was? Both of the Trumps released prepared statements to the media claiming that the meeting had been arranged to discuss the potential repeal of the Magnitsky Act, if Trump was to win the election, and a possible lift of the Russian-imposed ban against prospective American parents adopting Russian children. The messages that were exchanged between Rob Goldstone and Donald Trump Jr. revealed that narrative to be a lie, however.

Why did they both lie, if they truly believed that there was nothing wrong with that meeting? Doesn't that reveal a consciousness of guilt on their part? I believe that it does. At the very least, those lies definitely justified the Mueller probe.
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So are you saying Trump sought out whatever info was supposed to be shared at that meeting? My understanding is it was offered to them and they said sure, let’s see what you have. I get what you’re saying about opposition research but there was none so nothing of value was given. If they didn’t solicit it either, which requires them to ask for it per the definition of solicit then I don’t think you have anything to stand on. Plus, why hasn’t this issue been raised with Hillary? What was done with the Steele Dossier was far beyond a meeting where nothing actually happened. I’m guessing the Trumps lied because they weren’t sure if it was a problem or not so they lied. So when are you and Ellen going after Hillary?
 
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hUTch2002 said:
So are you saying Trump sought out whatever info was supposed to be shared at that meeting? My understanding is it was offered to them and they said sure, let’s see what you have. I get what you’re saying about opposition research but there was none so nothing of value was given. If they didn’t solicit it either, which requires them to ask for it per the definition of solicit then I don’t think you have anything to stand on. Plus, why hasn’t this issue been raised with Hillary? What was done with the Steele Dossier was far beyond a meeting where nothing actually happened. I’m guessing the Trumps lied because they weren’t sure if it was a problem or not so they lied. So when are you and Ellen going after Hillary?
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It was bogus as hell. The Dems and complicit media had to perpetrate some vast conspiracy that Trump was working quid pro quo for Russia. All at worst for some petty election crime.
Shameful and one of the major contributors to the unbelievable discourse we see today.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I’m guessing the Trumps lied because they weren’t sure if it was a problem or not so they lied.
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.... and there you have it. I wasn't arguing whether or not collusion actually took place, but rather that the Mueller probe into the association between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives was justified. The Trump Tower meeting and those lies served to do just that. There is no better way to arouse suspicion and ignite an inquiry then to be caught in a lie.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
.... and there you have it. I wasn't arguing whether or not collusion actually took place, but rather that the Mueller probe into the association between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives was justified. The Trump Tower meeting and those lies served to do just that. There is no better way to arouse suspicion and ignite an inquiry then to be caught in a lie.
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Keep dreaming.
If lies called for an investigation, every DC pol should be investigated.

Such absolute massive ideological BS
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
.... and there you have it. I wasn't arguing whether or not collusion actually took place, but rather that the Mueller probe into the association between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives was justified. The Trump Tower meeting and those lies served to do just that. There is no better way to arouse suspicion and ignite an inquiry then to be caught in a lie.
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That’s super weak to justify what happened and you know it.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
That’s super weak to justify what happened and you know it.
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They took a meeting with Russian operatives to discuss dirt on Hillary Clinton... and then got caught lying about the purpose of the meeting. If they didn't expect to be included in a special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential Election after that, then they are idiots.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
They took a meeting with Russian operatives to discuss dirt on Hillary Clinton... and then got caught lying about the purpose of the meeting. If they didn't expect to be included in a special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential Election after that, then they are idiots.
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You think that is outrageous? Clueless to what goes on everyday in DC. Like you are new and naive to politics, which you are certainly not.
Take your freking ideological googles off.
 
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Orangeburst said:
It was bogus as hell. The Dems and complicit media had to perpetrate some vast conspiracy that Trump was working quid pro quo for Russia. All at worst for some petty election crime.
Shameful and one of the major contributors to the unbelievable discourse we see today.
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Nobody forced him to lie about it... and that meeting showed very poor judgment. How do you not investigate that meeting with everything else that was going on at the time? Including the Russians hacking the DNC and Podesta's e-mails. Rudy Giuliani boasting about having knowledge of what was in the WikiLeaks releases before they were made public, and Trump proclaiming "I love WikiLeaks!" during his rallies.

... and to include a GRU agent in the meeting was just damn stupid. Any experienced campaign manager should have known better than that.
 
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