Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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AM64 said:
I have a hard time feeling sorry for speculators ... especially since some of them were likely trading on inside information ... and even less sympathy for a damn yankee speculator.
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When a wildly successful company makes an announcement about opening up an office with 25,000 jobs, 99% of the time they have followed through on it, maybe 100% of the time before this. I don't have any animosity toward any American city gaining new jobs, I suppose Amazon could move to somewhere in Europe or Asia and it would make your day?
 
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Septic said:
That's not what I said. The poster stated that those jobs were ruined, they weren't - their loss is someone else's gain.
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You know, if you pick at that zit on your face long enough it will swell up and hurt. Kinda what your are trying to do here. Or maybe that's your nose.....don't pick your nose.
 
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VolStrom said:
Well, when you have an agreement not so much, at least it didn't before liberal socialist showed up and decided to put their stamp of stink on deals they didn't understand.
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Cuomo/DiBlasio and Amazon had agreed to an agreement in principle, right? Meaning they still needed to get buy-in and approval from local officials. The Governor and Mayor can't just unilaterally sign a deal.

When Amazon sensed they weren't getting the more local buy-in, they just said F it. If you're a speculator, you know (or should know) there's a chance of a deal not happening.
 
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05_never_again said:
Cuomo/DiBlasio and Amazon had agreed to an agreement in principle, right? Meaning they still needed to get buy-in and approval from local officials. The Governor and Mayor can't just unilaterally sign a deal.

When Amazon sensed they weren't getting the more local buy-in, they just said F it. If you're a speculator, you know (or should know) there's a chance of a deal not happening.
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Yeah I know why Amazon backed out. My point is that very seldom does a company agree to a deal and then pull out. On the other hand companies have seldom had to deal with idiot politicians at the local level that puke on a deal. She's still wanting that $3B to invest in her community without having Amazon move in, that's just F'n amazing to me.
 
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Septic said:
What part of no one lost their jobs because the jobs didn't exist confuses you? Not one paycheck was missed, they're simply going somewhere else.

Sure it was titanically dumb for her to blow up the deal but that deal will simply move elsewhere. At first, I thought your outrage was fake news, now I believe you just aren't bright enough to grasp how this is good news for another community TBD. Your exuberance of shtting on AOC is blinding you from that understanding.
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Amazon: Hey, NYC, here is a pile of gold we will give you for a tax break up front.
NYC: No thanks
Septic: NYC shouldn't be upset, they never had the gold to begin with.


Did I get that right?
 
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VolStrom said:
Yeah I know why Amazon backed out. My point is that very seldom does a company agree to a deal and then pull out. On the other hand companies have seldom had to deal with idiot politicians at the local level that puke on a deal. She's still wanting that $3B to invest in her community without having Amazon move in, that's just F'n amazing to me.
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Bolded part is very true, except that she's not an idiot for the reasons I and others have described. AOC's goal isn't to bring jobs into NYC. Her job is to get re-elected. Her base loves the rhetoric and her role, real or perceived, in "sticking it" to a big corporation.

A big part of why people don't understand each other, especially in politics, is that they are assessing someone relative to a goal they aren't actually trying to achieve. AOC looks like a moron if you think her end goal is to bring jobs to NYC. That isn't her goal.
 
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05_never_again said:
Bolded part is very true, except that she's not an idiot for the reasons I and others have described.

AOC's goal isn't to bring jobs into NYC. Her job is to get re-elected. Her base loves the rhetoric and her role, real or perceived, in "sticking it" to a big corporation.
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I don't know anything at all about the demographics of the area that Amazon was going to move into, but were they all on welfare and didn't GAF about getting a job?
 
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VolStrom said:
I don't know anything at all about the demographics of the area that Amazon was going to move into, but were they all on welfare and didn't GAF about getting a job?
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I'm not sure, but I think you just said it yourself. If the residents of said area really don't GAF about getting a job, then they aren't displeased about politicians running Amazon off. I think it should be noted that a lot of the polling showed something like 65-70% approval among New Yorkers for Amazon to be there. So AOC could be treading on thin ice by being too against this, but is that really going to motivate a big supporter of her to vote against her? Maybe, but probably not.

AOC's base views the system as rigged against them, controlled by large corporations that don't pay enough taxes, etc.. If that's how you see the world, you sure as hell don't view a large corporation entering your neighborhood, especially if they are incentivized via a tax break, as a good thing. She's preaching to her choir when she talks about that Amazon deal. Her base doesn't want to work for Amazon, or likely any large corporation. They see central planning-type stuff as the solution, because they've already ruled out private business as being a solution.
 
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VolStrom said:
When a wildly successful company makes an announcement about opening up an office with 25,000 jobs, 99% of the time they have followed through on it, maybe 100% of the time before this. I don't have any animosity toward any American city gaining new jobs, I suppose Amazon could move to somewhere in Europe or Asia and it would make your day?
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No that's not what I meant at all. Generally when deals like this happen there are people who have enough inside information to buy property (at market value) from someone who may have owned for many years. The speculator rather than the original owner makes a hefty profit when everything is known and property values escalate. I just don't have sympathy for those speculators when things didn't go as they thought.

I don't begrudge the guy who comes in after the fact and puts money in and renovates into retail, apartments, or restaurants with the expectation of future profits. In that case I'd say the investor/developer isn't really a speculator, and he has every reason to despise AOC.
 
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05_never_again said:
Bolded part is very true, except that she's not an idiot for the reasons I and others have described. AOC's goal isn't to bring jobs into NYC. Her job is to get re-elected. Her base loves the rhetoric and her role, real or perceived, in "sticking it" to a big corporation.

A big part of why people don't understand each other, especially in politics, is that they are assessing someone relative to a goal they aren't actually trying to achieve. AOC looks like a moron if you think her end goal is to bring jobs to NYC. That isn't her goal.
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If your political platform is so bad that a month after taking office you have to worry about getting re-elected , what good are you as a politician ? What can you possibly do to help your constituents if that’s your goal ? What problems could you honestly work on or fix if anything you do could effect your goal ?
 
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UT_VOLS13 said:
Mr. Tank, you certainly have a different view of how the Amazon/NTC went down.
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Different than what? I think it's pretty hilarious that the right is suddenly mortified that the people that hired AOC aren't getting jobs and that they've got the audacity to feign pain for those people. BFD, those jobs will go somewhere else and her constituents will have no one to thank but themselves.
 
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Septic said:
Different than what? I think it's pretty hilarious that the right is suddenly mortified that the people that hired AOC aren't getting jobs and that they've got the audacity to feign pain for those people. BFD, those jobs will go somewhere else and her constituents will have no one to thank but themselves.
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Mortified?! I’m laughing my fat out of shape hillbilly ass off over it! Mortified? My cup runneth over with hysterical irony! 🤣
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Mortified?! I’m laughing my fat out of shape hillbilly ass off over it! Mortified? My cup runneth over with hysterical irony! 🤣
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Cool, at least you are honest about that you don't GAF about these people. They don't have the right to be upset, they got what they asked for. Don't hire a socialist and then be mad when they make terrible decisions on employment and economics.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Mortified?! I’m laughing my fat out of shape hillbilly ass off over it! Mortified? My cup runneth over with hysterical irony! 🤣
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That is pretty hilarious... "feigning pain".

If that "economic illiterate" (props to Mark Thiessen) and her cohort succeed in spreading their love of socialism and toxic views of capitalism that drove Amazon out of NY, both left and right are going to feel pain for real, when the economy collapses.
 
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Septic said:
Cool, at least you are honest about that you don't GAF about these people. They don't have the right to be upset, they got what they asked for. Don't hire a socialist and then be mad when they make terrible decisions on employment and economics.
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Oh don’t go getting all Magic 8 Ball in interpreting my response. I neither give nor don’t GAF about the lot of them as I’m sure they are about me. One can admire delicious irony without bringing empathy or a lack there of into it. And I know you can appreciate that sentiment yourself.

You’re right on the rest, they got what they paid for indeed 😂
 
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RavinDave said:
That is pretty hilarious... "feigning pain".

If that "economic illiterate" (props to Mark Thiessen) and her cohort succeed in spreading their love of socialism and toxic views of capitalism that drove Amazon out of NY, both left and right are going to feel pain for real, when the economy collapses.
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Go back a few pages champ, the river of tears over the "ruined jobs" and "shafted investors" ran deep.
 
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