Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[Smokeyone]

do you mind if I ask what town you were in, in GA?

Thomson Ga. Just outside of Augusta Ga.

 

[allvol123]

It wasn't that. They were there before 2006. The thing that changed was politics. A well intentioned liberal (Barney Frank) saw a way to make his boyfriend more money while "helping those that couldn't afford a house get one" and killed the housing market. When credit was widely available but not able to be paid back it crashed housing. That plus Obama policy (anti police, anti personnel responsibility, anti American) saw an influx of gangs from Atlanta and Augusta to the town and made it unsafe for everyone. Those that could moved, put their kids in private schools, or segregated themselves into the country or joined a gang/took up the ghetto life regardless of race.

Folks that were policed with peer pressure and parenting took over. Police "reform" made the town open to predators, and they thrived. Meth became the main product manufactured and gang violence ruled.

I lived in the community off and on since 1988 and never saw race an issue. Today it is an overriding issue in my choice of housing, where my child is educated, the community I choose to live in. I went from colorblind and happy to seeing the reality of liberals in race and religion (muslim) can do to a colorblind society when they get power.

Trump isn't a great man. He wasn't my first or second pick. But he was so much better than the alternative it was scary. Now AOC and a small group of firebrands want to win the race to the bottom and anyone in their way is a racist, old, and out of touch. They want an animal farm meets logan's run dystopia. I just hope east TN can hang on till my daughter can find the next hiding place

I grew up in that area, the SC side of the Augusta border. I agree with so much that you stated.

 

[Smokeyone]

I grew up in that area, the SC side of the Augusta border. I agree with so much that you stated.

And it's a shame. North Augusta has plenty of small towns in the same boat.

Most folks moved to Evans in Columbia County and it is better there but Blount County in TN was just a better all around option. It got so bad that you can't go to high school football games anymore. Too many wannabe thugs wanting street cred. Fights, to riots, to shootings made it unsafe.

 

[allvol123]

And it's a shame. North Augusta has plenty of small towns in the same boat.

Most folks moved to Evans in Columbia County and it is better there but Blount County in TN was just a better all around option. It got so bad that you can't go to high school football games anymore. Too many wannabe thugs wanting street cred. Fights, to riots, to shootings made it unsafe.

You are spot on. I moved to Knoxville in 91 as a freshman. I go back occasionally to see family, but the overall feeling I get whenever I go back is disgust.

 

[BreatheUT]

I am sure some were offended by my statement. Why don't you tell me that there has been no white flight from some areas, and property values have not deteriorated because of it? When property values went down, tell me that lower classes of people didn't move in, and create a downward spiral ? Argue the point that I made, instead of just getting offended. People don't want an honest debate of the facts.

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I'm not really familiar with what you mean about "white flight". We just see it differently. I think it's more of a story of social status or class than black/white. I take it that you are suggesting white people leave an area and the area is worse of for it. Again it depends on the class of person that is replacing the family/person moving.

We agree on several things but I disagree here and think your assertion is inaccurate. My guess is if you moved out a neighborhood and 10 other families like you, and then Obama moved in the property values would sky rocket. Or let's say a middle class black family moved out and was let's say replaced by white trash then property value would go down proving it's about your class and not color.

 

[BreatheUT]

For the last 30 years, Metro has had constant open recruitment for police officers. Things aren't any different than before.

The Police Oversight Board has three former policemen, a forensic scientist who testifies for the Attorney General, two high priced attorneys from white shoe firms and others from corporations. They constitute a majority of the Board. Not a radical "F the Police" bunch a people there.

Sounds like you know more about the makeup. The most I've heard is James Shaw was turned away. Let's hope this is on the up and up. Apparently they have $5M reasons to find something. Nashville has a bunch of unfunded needs.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Casual Tornados is a thing y’all. She’s really lecturing people on climate change?

 

[1972 Grad]

I'm not really familiar with what you mean about "white flight". We just see it differently. I think it's more of a story of social status or class than black/white. I take it that you are suggesting white people leave an area and the area is worse of for it. Again it depends on the class of person that is replacing the family/person moving.

We agree on several things but I disagree here and think your assertion is inaccurate. My guess is if you moved out a neighborhood and 10 other families like you, and then Obama moved in the property values would sky rocket. Or let's say a middle class black family moved out and was let's say replaced by white trash then property value would go down proving it's about your class and not color.[/QUOTE]


Like it or not, several realtors have told me that people moving into a new area often ask about racial demographics, and not socioeconomic status, before choosing a place to buy. This is pre-white flight in action, and it keeps property values down. I have lived next door a nice black family, and they were there before I bought.

I have also had 15 inner city black football players moved in next door to me by a local college to entice me to sell my house. They bought the house, tore it and 2 others down, and put up a new brick building that cost several million dollars. My wife and I endured Hell for 2 years before we gave in. We were the last holdouts in the neighborhood.

 

[BreatheUT]

I'm not really familiar with what you mean about "white flight". We just see it differently. I think it's more of a story of social status or class than black/white. I take it that you are suggesting white people leave an area and the area is worse of for it. Again it depends on the class of person that is replacing the family/person moving.

We agree on several things but I disagree here and think your assertion is inaccurate. My guess is if you moved out a neighborhood and 10 other families like you, and then Obama moved in the property values would sky rocket. Or let's say a middle class black family moved out and was let's say replaced by white trash then property value would go down proving it's about your class and not color.

Like it or not, several realtors have told me that people moving into a new area often ask about racial demographics, and not socioeconomic status, before choosing a place to buy. This is pre-white flight in action, and it keeps property values down. I have lived next door a nice black family, and they were there before I bought.

I have also had 15 inner city black football players moved in next door to me by a local college to entice me to sell my house. They bought the house, tore it and 2 others down, and put up a new brick building that cost several million dollars. My wife and I endured Hell for 2 years before we gave in. We were the last holdouts in the neighborhood.[/QUOTE]

I won't dispute your experiences but those are two very different set of circumstances and types of residents. We should be careful when throwing out generalities like it means all. Then we are no better than far left winger who claim everyone is a racist. I think this is what they point to as an exhibit.

 

[1972 Grad]

Like it or not, several realtors have told me that people moving into a new area often ask about racial demographics, and not socioeconomic status, before choosing a place to buy. This is pre-white flight in action, and it keeps property values down. I have lived next door a nice black family, and they were there before I bought.

I have also had 15 inner city black football players moved in next door to me by a local college to entice me to sell my house. They bought the house, tore it and 2 others down, and put up a new brick building that cost several million dollars. My wife and I endured Hell for 2 years before we gave in. We were the last holdouts in the neighborhood.

I won't dispute your experiences but those are two very different set of circumstances and types of residents. We should be careful when throwing out generalities like it means all. Then we are no better than far left winger who claim everyone is a racist. I think this is what they point to as an exhibit.[/QUOTE]




I don't believe that white football players would have grabbed their dicks and yelled "hey baby" at my wife when she tried to go out to our pool to take a dip. I don't think they would come out after dark, put on black clothes, black toboggans, scale a 5 foot high fence, and egg our house, causing my wife to fall down and hit her head on the coffee table. She heard something outside, and walked over to an atrium door to look, and had an egg explode on the glass door right in front of her eyes. I thought that she had been shot with the noise of the egg exploding and her falling down.

This was done in retaliation for calling security on them for some other transgression. I still have very hard feelings over being forced out of a house that we lived in for 17 years. The football players were total inner city trash, and I hate their guts to this day. The college moved them in to a single family residential house that was the residence of the Vice President of the college. I had the Dean of Students on the other side until he died, and they used his house for something else.

Try living next to that sh!t for some time, and see how you feel. I grabbed a rifle and shot over their heads to let them know that they shouldn't ever pull that kind of sh!t again. They were already scurrying back over the fence by the time I ran upstairs and got my rifle. If I had it close by, I probably would have shot the m'fers in the back.

 

[Smokeyone]

I won't dispute your experiences but those are two very different set of circumstances and types of residents. We should be careful when throwing out generalities like it means all. Then we are no better than far left winger who claim everyone is a racist. I think this is what they point to as an exhibit.

I don't believe that white football players would have grabbed their dicks and yelled "hey baby" at my wife when she tried to go out to our pool to take a dip. I don't think they would come out after dark, put on black clothes, black toboggans, scale a 5 foot high fence, and egg our house, causing my wife to fall down and hit her head on the coffee table. She heard something outside, and walked over to an atrium door to look, and had an egg explode on the glass door right in front of her eyes. I thought that she had been shot with the noise of the egg exploding and her falling down.

This was done in retaliation for calling security on them for some other transgression. I still have very hard feelings over being forced out of a house that we lived in for 17 years. The football players were total inner city trash, and I hate their guts to this day. The college moved them in to a single family residential house that was the residence of the Vice President of the college. I had the Dean of Students on the other side until he died, and they used his house for something else.

Try living next to that sh!t for some time, and see how you feel. I grabbed a rifle and shot over their heads to let them know that they shouldn't ever pull that kind of sh!t again. They were already scurrying back over the fence by the time I ran upstairs and got my rifle. If I had it close by, I probably would have shot the m'fers in the back.[/QUOTE]
The last group that lived beside us got so bad we would wake up at night wondering if it was lightning or a police raid next door. We stopped guessing fireworks or gunshots.

 

[GVF]

Sure, that's it.
We all know he wanted to give certain people a certain message.
We all know he was well aware of the optics to both sides of the Trump fiasco.

Well, I'm glad you were able to speak with him and get the inside line in why he chose a media outlet other than CNN. I will sleep better.

 

[GVF]

????????

I check about four major demographic criteria for the typical Trump supporter. I am what Trump was elected to protect.
I think you can figure it out.

Keep up Luther. His point was...to your point of being a straight white dude...and having lived in Grant Park...and still alive....= protected. There are worse places around that area where no one is protected (The Bluff, Lakewood, Kirkwood, College Park, etc), but Grant Park is still no cake walk.

 

[LouderVol]

Thomson Ga. Just outside of Augusta Ga.

Been by the area several times. My firm has done work in Evan's. Good to hear that area is still doing well

 

[GVF]

I am still adjusting to living in Maryville. Trading traffic for safety was the second best decision I have ever made

Where were you in GA. I was born and raised in Griffin. Don't miss it. Also spent 16 years in Hartwell. Did work/commute to Augusta for a bit. There's not many uplifting words to describe that place. Hated it. And I left every day. Not sure how I view Macon anymore either. Like you, I am enjoying life in TN now.

 

[1972 Grad]

Where were you in GA. I was born and raised in Griffin. Don't miss it. Also spent 16 years in Hartwell. Did work/commute to Augusta for a bit. There's not many uplifting words to describe that place. Hated it. And I left every day. Not sure how I view Macon anymore either. Like you, I am enjoying life in TN now.

What is the main difference between Georgia and Tennessee?

 

[GVF]

I'm offended by @1972 Grad statement but I'll let it ride. The main point as you point out are liberal policies. The policy is colorblind to black or white but race/racism is the pulley most times with liberals that give these ideas traction.

Funny you should mention police reform. We have seen an increase in crime in Nashville and because of a couple high profile incidents involving officer shootings the liberals have used that as an opportunity to have an Oversight Board. Ultimately I fear this will be a way to control the police department but more than that they have been given a budget that they will feel pressured to use. Additionally Nashville has job openings in the department that is already understaffed with a growing population. This is worrisome. Liberals...smh.

Nashville is horrible. Shootings in the news every single day. Every single day. Prob started with that liberal b**** mayor that wanted Nashville to become Cali.

 

[GVF]

What is the main difference between Georgia and Tennessee?

Choice. Can live in nice little quaint places in either state. Or maybe not. The main difference for me is the family farm we had someone living on continuously since 1823. Some of it along with the falls is a state park now. So, what goes on, and up, around me is totally in our control. Anything north GA is fine by me. But, you can have my hometown and most places south of there.

 

[GAVol]

What is the main difference between Georgia and Tennessee?

The sales tax. Other than that, lay Georgia on it's side and it's basically the same place as Tennessee. North GA is East TN. The Piedmont and Middle GA is Middle TN and South GA is West Tn.

 

[GVF]

Thomson Ga. Just outside of Augusta Ga.

Thomson didn't seem too bad. Mostly just passed thru cause I was already fairly close to work in Augusta on the commute so really had no need to linger. It's a shame if influx from Augusta ruined Thomson. I don't have a high opinion of Augusta.

 

[GVF]

The sales tax. Other than that, lay Georgia on it's side and it's basically the same place as Tennessee. North GA is East TN. The Piedmont and Middle GA is Middle TN and South GA is West Tn.

LOL. You nailed that one.

 

[GAVol]

LOL. You nailed that one.

When you've lived in rich cultural centers like Milan, Cedar Grove, Murfreesboro and Macon, you learn things.

 

[T-TownVol]

The sales tax. Other than that, lay Georgia on it's side and it's basically the same place as Tennessee. North GA is East TN. The Piedmont and Middle GA is Middle TN and South GA is West Tn.

When you turn it back to upright, can Memphis stick to South GA permanently? PLEASE!!

 

[GVF]

When you've lived in rich cultural centers like Milan, Cedar Grove, Murfreesboro and Macon, you learn things.

Grandfather was raised in Milan. I went to college in Henderson. Raised in Griffin. Lived in Hartwell. Know all the surrounding cultural centers well. Still don't care much for Macon (My step son says there's a gas station there with a sign at the pumps advising to keep hand gun accessible while gassing up). Kinda happy to call Cookeville/Jackson County home now.

 

[AM64]

"Progress" is defined differently by different people.

Gentrification is a fascinating topic to me for a variety of reasons. When a neighborhood is in a rough state, people will bemoan the current state it is in, talk about how nobody will invest in the neighborhood, etc. When the neighborhood starts to revitalize, people bemoan how it's more expensive and "different" it is than it used to be. So...what is it exactly that anti-gentrifiers want? The neighborhood to get cleaned up, but it stays dirt cheap and exactly the same as it was before? How exactly are you going to get that outcome?

Also, it's funny how nobody wants it to further gentrify once they move in. A good buddy of mine bought a house a couple years ago in a heavily gentrified part of town. There previously was no housing on this parcel of land; now there are 20-odd houses, including his. Now, right beside his house, the same developer that built his house is putting in a couple of rows of townhouses. He's pissed, thinks there are "too many" people living there now, and hates the "greedy developer." I told him there were probably a ton of people who thought that same thing when he moved in.

We've owned and lived in our house for forty years (this December). Years ago a developer wanted to build apartments/townhouses down the road from us. We (the community) fought it, and he eventually backed down more having to do with sewage than anything else; there was no sewer system out here, so minimum lot sizes were all determined by terrain, percolation, and the space needed for the field lines. A few years ago the county ran some sewer lines (fortunately still missing us) and now there is a cluster of densely spaced houses and duplexes where there was previously nothing but a wooded hill. My thought is that minimum lot size should still be based on what would be required if the home had a septic system regardless of whether there is a sewer system or not. That would limit just how densely developers can pack things, and stop the mini lot arms race.