Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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1972 Grad said:
I am sure some were offended by my statement. Why don't you tell me that there has been no white flight from some areas, and property values have not deteriorated because of it? When property values went down, tell me that lower classes of people didn't move in, and create a downward spiral ? Argue the point that I made, instead of just getting offended. People don't want an honest debate of the facts.
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I think Eric Holder made that exact point about honest debate. The problem was that his party is the same one that has made sure honest debate isn't possible.
 
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AM64 said:
We've owned and lived in our house for forty years (this December). Years ago a developer wanted to build apartments/townhouses down the road from us. We (the community) fought it, and he eventually backed down more having to do with sewage than anything else; there was no sewer system out here, so minimum lot sizes were all determined by terrain, percolation, and the space needed for the field lines. A few years ago the county ran some sewer lines (fortunately still missing us) and now there is a cluster of densely spaced houses and duplexes where there was previously nothing but a wooded hill. My thought is that minimum lot size should still be based on what would be required if the home had a septic system regardless of whether there is a sewer system or not. That would limit just how densely developers can pack things, and stop the mini lot arms race.
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If you require big lots you are going to increase the amount of land that gets developed, meaning it's going to push out into the countryside faster, and you are also going to increase the cost of the building. Which means you are going to see more "anti conservative" policies move in.
 
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AM64 said:
We've owned and lived in our house for forty years (this December). Years ago a developer wanted to build apartments/townhouses down the road from us. We (the community) fought it, and he eventually backed down more having to do with sewage than anything else; there was no sewer system out here, so minimum lot sizes were all determined by terrain, percolation, and the space needed for the field lines. A few years ago the county ran some sewer lines (fortunately still missing us) and now there is a cluster of densely spaced houses and duplexes where there was previously nothing but a wooded hill. My thought is that minimum lot size should still be based on what would be required if the home had a septic system regardless of whether there is a sewer system or not. That would limit just how densely developers can pack things, and stop the mini lot arms race.
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I like a little elbow room.
 
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AM64 said:
We've owned and lived in our house for forty years (this December). Years ago a developer wanted to build apartments/townhouses down the road from us. We (the community) fought it, and he eventually backed down more having to do with sewage than anything else; there was no sewer system out here, so minimum lot sizes were all determined by terrain, percolation, and the space needed for the field lines. A few years ago the county ran some sewer lines (fortunately still missing us) and now there is a cluster of densely spaced houses and duplexes where there was previously nothing but a wooded hill. My thought is that minimum lot size should still be based on what would be required if the home had a septic system regardless of whether there is a sewer system or not. That would limit just how densely developers can pack things, and stop the mini lot arms race.
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Depends on what part of a town you're talking about, too. If a developer wants to cram in small houses/apartments/townhouses/condos in a suburban, spread out area, especially if the surrounding area is on septic tanks, that should be resisted. If a developer wants to do such a development in an urban area, where most gentrification is taking place, that is a little different.
 
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I think Eric Holder made that exact point about honest debate. The problem was that his party is the same one that has made sure honest debate isn't possible.[/QUOTE]They are on Hank Haney's ass now on PGA Tour radio for comments about all the Asians on the women's tour. He's a racist. He's a bigot. Problem is that he told the truth. They asked for a prediction of the upcoming tournament (maybe women's U.S. Open) and he said it would probably be one of the Koreans with a name like Lee or something, and that he couldn't name 6 women on the tour now because they were so many Asians. I can't name 5. They all rook too much arike to me.
 
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LouderVol said:
If you require big lots you are going to increase the amount of land that gets developed, meaning it's going to push out into the countryside faster, and you are also going to increase the cost of the building. Which means you are going to see more "anti conservative" policies move in.
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I can agree with that to an extent. There's another angle though. If developers can pick up what was previously perhaps an old farm and cram it full of houses then density plays a part in how it all works. When the developer is limited to fewer houses on the land and has to pay for infrastructure improvements made necessary by those new homes, then he and the purchaser are actually forced to face the real economic impact and cost of those homes - that limits flight from existing homes to something simply affordable and new. I'm convinced that a lot of homes are built and sold not because of actual need due to growth, but simply by the opportunity to upgrade cheaply. As a taxpayer, I resent paying for bunches of new schools further out while older schools closer in to a city are closed ... that doesn't represent growth nearly as much as shuffling people and leaving blighted neighborhoods behind.
 
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AM64 said:
I can agree with that to an extent. There's another angle though. If developers can pick up what was previously perhaps an old farm and cram it full of houses then density plays a part in how it all works. When the developer is limited to fewer houses on the land and has to pay for infrastructure improvements made necessary by those new homes, then he and the purchaser are actually forced to face the real economic impact and cost of those homes - that limits flight from existing homes to something simply affordable and new. I'm convinced that a lot of homes are built and sold not because of actual need due to growth, but simply by the opportunity to upgrade cheaply. As a taxpayer, I resent paying for bunches of new schools further out while older schools closer in to a city are closed ... that doesn't represent growth nearly as much as shuffling people and leaving blighted neighborhoods behind.
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The issue is the old neighborhoods dont get money put back in them without development.

It's the problem of people wanting things to be nice without things changing. It doesnt happen. If you want to attract retailers, restaurants, or any other development (parks, public services) you have to have density.

If you just want things to stagnate then they can stay the same.

I think a lot of the population shifting is more rental to ownership. A bunch of people like me want to own but cant. Until people move out for the upgrade.
 
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LouderVol said:
The issue is the old neighborhoods dont get money put back in them without development.

It's the problem of people wanting things to be nice without things changing. It doesnt happen. If you want to attract retailers, restaurants, or any other development (parks, public services) you have to have density.

If you just want things to stagnate then they can stay the same.

I think a lot of the population shifting is more rental to ownership. A bunch of people like me want to own but cant. Until people move out for the upgrade.
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I still see a lot of it as a dog chasing its tail, or change for the sake of change. For us, we paid off our house well over twenty years ago and resisted upgrading just because we could. We've maintained and done improvements, but largely the money not spent was available for other things like travel, education, retirement, etc. It's the same with cars and other big ticket items: buy what we want within what we are willing to pay and resist the something new just to have something new.
 
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AM64 said:
I still see a lot of it as a dog chasing its tail, or change for the sake of change. For us, we paid off our house well over twenty years ago and resisted upgrading just because we could. We've maintained and done improvements, but largely the money not spent was available for other things like travel, education, retirement, etc. It's the same with cars and other big ticket items: buy what we want within what we are willing to pay and resist the something new just to have something new.
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I mean to some point it is. But that's what drives our economy.

And as I said there is a huge number of people who rent vs own. Almost 36% of the population rents. So there is still a huge need for housing. And in many cases cities literally do not have enough houses.
 
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LouderVol said:
The issue is the old neighborhoods dont get money put back in them without development.

It's the problem of people wanting things to be nice without things changing. It doesnt happen. If you want to attract retailers, restaurants, or any other development (parks, public services) you have to have density.

If you just want things to stagnate then they can stay the same.

I think a lot of the population shifting is more rental to ownership. A bunch of people like me want to own but cant. Until people move out for the upgrade.
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Yep, although I am on board with @AM64 's general point about density. High-density developments in low-density areas (like suburbs or rural areas) generally aren't a good idea. I'm generally all on board with gentrification and high-density development in urban cores, or areas bordering the urban cores of cities. Not all, but most of the people living in suburbs and rural areas are out there because they value, among other things, some room and relative quiet. They want to live in a purely residential area and are OK with driving 10, 15, 20 minutes to get to stores, restaurants, etc. I'm a city guy right now myself, but lived a majority of my life in a suburb bordering on rural area. I understand why suburbans and rural folks resist attempts to bring the city, or a city-type developments, to them. If you want high-density developments, move closer to the city.

Much of the anti-gentrify crowd is just a group of complainers who won't be satisfied no matter what occurs. They are upset that nobody wants to invest in the blighted neighborhood and make it better, then when the neighborhood does get some investment, they complain that it is more expensive and different than it used to be. They want the neighborhood to be "better" and nicer, however they define those terms, but also want nothing to actually change. They've just made their minds up at the outset to be upset about something.
 
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GVF said:
Where were you in GA. I was born and raised in Griffin. Don't miss it. Also spent 16 years in Hartwell. Did work/commute to Augusta for a bit. There's not many uplifting words to describe that place. Hated it. And I left every day. Not sure how I view Macon anymore either. Like you, I am enjoying life in TN now.
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My wife is from Griffin. I wouldn't live there or raise a child there now.

Augusta cleans up once a year for the Masters but lacks redeeming qualities the rest of the year. I worked for comcast for a year and was shocked at how bad it was. They spent all that money on an awesome riverwalk but it was ruined by thugs and homeless quickly. Rome Ga is about as far into Ga I would consider.
 
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Smokeyone said:
AOC should be named a special envoy to Iran. Where she would be safe from tornadoes and garbage disposal units.
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Tell her they are doing Argo 2 and want her to be the lead role and drop her off in Tehran. What happens next is up to the ayatollah.
 
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I'm thinking we need a congressional junket to visit Mt Everest and investigate why Americans are dying there. Pelosi, AOC and a few other Dims would be good candidates for the job. I'm hearing the view is stunning and can leave you absolutely breathless.
 
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Smokeyone said:
My wife is from Griffin. I wouldn't live there or raise a child there now.

Augusta cleans up once a year for the Masters but lacks redeeming qualities the rest of the year. I worked for comcast for a year and was shocked at how bad it was. They spent all that money on an awesome riverwalk but it was ruined by thugs and homeless quickly. Rome Ga is about as far into Ga I would consider.
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Well. Well. A Griffin girl. How old might ya'll be. Slim chance I might know your wife. I graduated HS in '83. Left for good in '96. Worked at Dundee after college till transferring with them to North GA. I agree about living and raising kids there now. It was never a "small" town but was pretty good in my day. by the time my niece got to the HS, it was very dangerous. I haven't been back thru in quite some time.

I worked in Augusta for a bit. Have no use for it. Just not a good place. and it must sit in a bowl depression cause the summer weather is stifling. Evans and Martinez seemed pretty decent if you had to live there, but they are basically just neighborhoods across the interstate.

Savannah I could do, but the summer would take some adjustment. Most of choices would be above ATL as well, although there are some nice middle GA areas.
 
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